Running dog on wild birds???
Running dog on wild birds???
A little about myself. I have a 15 month old GSP and got started into NAVHDA in July of this year.
Have done a lot of yard work with him but only recently exposed him to planted birds as of last month.
I have been working with my dog on learning all the basic commands and have begun Whoa training. Navhda has helped a lot and he has been exposed to planted birds on the last 3 weekends and does well scenting birds, pointing hard and holds for 5 seconds or so and has a lot of bird desire. He isn't steady enough to be hunted without a checkcord and all his work has been with a check cord and me under control of him once he gets birdy so he doesn't rush in on any birds. He hasn't pounced on any or caught any birds so that is good.
He has been around gunfire, other Navhda events, but has not had anything shot directly over him yet.
My question is this, should I take him out on wild birds, grouse and woodcock, (I'm in New York State) and run him in the woods in hunting situations without the gun just to expose him to birds?
My only issue is if he gets out too far from me he will point and bust a bird for sure before I could get to him. Also because of the woods I wouldn't be able to run him with a long check cord for fear of him get tangled up. Will busting birds at this stage be a detriment or set back to his training??? or should I hold off on the wild birds until he gets steadier to point. I plan on starting work with pigeons and getting him steady to flush and well as going to some preserves and strictly work on getting him steady and holding his point and exposure to more birds.
Thanks for any help and great site.
Have done a lot of yard work with him but only recently exposed him to planted birds as of last month.
I have been working with my dog on learning all the basic commands and have begun Whoa training. Navhda has helped a lot and he has been exposed to planted birds on the last 3 weekends and does well scenting birds, pointing hard and holds for 5 seconds or so and has a lot of bird desire. He isn't steady enough to be hunted without a checkcord and all his work has been with a check cord and me under control of him once he gets birdy so he doesn't rush in on any birds. He hasn't pounced on any or caught any birds so that is good.
He has been around gunfire, other Navhda events, but has not had anything shot directly over him yet.
My question is this, should I take him out on wild birds, grouse and woodcock, (I'm in New York State) and run him in the woods in hunting situations without the gun just to expose him to birds?
My only issue is if he gets out too far from me he will point and bust a bird for sure before I could get to him. Also because of the woods I wouldn't be able to run him with a long check cord for fear of him get tangled up. Will busting birds at this stage be a detriment or set back to his training??? or should I hold off on the wild birds until he gets steadier to point. I plan on starting work with pigeons and getting him steady to flush and well as going to some preserves and strictly work on getting him steady and holding his point and exposure to more birds.
Thanks for any help and great site.
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Running dog on wild birds???
Collar condition to "here", then take him to the woods. Wild birds will do all the teaching. Shut your mouth, lose the whistle, and let the birds make him into a huting dog.
Your pigeon launchers, planted birds, and check cord are there to substitute for what a dog chasing wild birds can do. The birds will fly away as he busts them, and he will learn more about WHY he points from that than what you could attempt to replicate with navhda.
Your pigeon launchers, planted birds, and check cord are there to substitute for what a dog chasing wild birds can do. The birds will fly away as he busts them, and he will learn more about WHY he points from that than what you could attempt to replicate with navhda.
"it shot a many shell over the top of an old bird dog"
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Where in NY are you?Agross wrote:A little about myself. I have a 15 month old GSP and got started into NAVHDA in July of this year.
Have done a lot of yard work with him but only recently exposed him to planted birds as of last month.
I have been working with my dog on learning all the basic commands and have begun Whoa training. Navhda has helped a lot and he has been exposed to planted birds on the last 3 weekends and does well scenting birds, pointing hard and holds for 5 seconds or so and has a lot of bird desire. He isn't steady enough to be hunted without a checkcord and all his work has been with a check cord and me under control of him once he gets birdy so he doesn't rush in on any birds. He hasn't pounced on any or caught any birds so that is good.
He has been around gunfire, other Navhda events, but has not had anything shot directly over him yet.
My question is this, should I take him out on wild birds, grouse and woodcock, (I'm in New York State) and run him in the woods in hunting situations without the gun just to expose him to birds?
My only issue is if he gets out too far from me he will point and bust a bird for sure before I could get to him. Also because of the woods I wouldn't be able to run him with a long check cord for fear of him get tangled up. Will busting birds at this stage be a detriment or set back to his training??? or should I hold off on the wild birds until he gets steadier to point. I plan on starting work with pigeons and getting him steady to flush and well as going to some preserves and strictly work on getting him steady and holding his point and exposure to more birds.
Thanks for any help and great site.
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Re: Running dog on wild birds???
X2Bluesky2012 wrote:Collar condition to "here", then take him to the woods. Wild birds will do all the teaching. Shut your mouth, lose the whistle, and let the birds make him into a huting dog.
Your pigeon launchers, planted birds, and check cord are there to substitute for what a dog chasing wild birds can do. The birds will fly away as he busts them, and he will learn more about WHY he points from that than what you could attempt to replicate with navhda.
and if it legal,take the gun.
and if the dog does everything right ,shoot the bird
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My opinion would be a big YES!
Re: Running dog on wild birds???
I'd definitely take the pup hunting wild birds. They are the best dog trainers in the business.
Bill T.
Bill T.
The older I get, the better I was !
Re: Running dog on wild birds???
+3twistedoak wrote:X2Bluesky2012 wrote:Collar condition to "here", then take him to the woods. Wild birds will do all the teaching. Shut your mouth, lose the whistle, and let the birds make him into a huting dog.
Your pigeon launchers, planted birds, and check cord are there to substitute for what a dog chasing wild birds can do. The birds will fly away as he busts them, and he will learn more about WHY he points from that than what you could attempt to replicate with navhda.
and if it legal,take the gun.
and if the dog does everything right ,shoot the bird
May all your dog's points be productive & your arrows avoid all timber
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Thanks for the advice. Will do.
Also, Rich K. my place is in Chenango County, Town of Coventry
Also, Rich K. my place is in Chenango County, Town of Coventry
Re: Running dog on wild birds???
Have you been to the Southern Tier NAVHDA training days?
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Running dog on wild birds???
The more birds you can get the dog on, the better off you will be! I have a good GSP that didn't get birds til later in the game like your dog and it took a lot of work to get him to a solid dog. If I would have started him earlier, who knows what he would be capable of!
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Rich K
Yes I am a member of the Hudson Valley NAVHDA. Just joined July 2014
Yes I am a member of the Hudson Valley NAVHDA. Just joined July 2014