08 NGSPA National Championship (All Age)

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:29 pm

Thanks Charlie. I've actually participated in an NGSPA event or two - even won some!! Geez, I even had a dog qualified to compete in this years big AA dance if I'd have wanted to go. (man, that'll make folks question John's statement about the high qualifications to get there!!

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Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:47 pm

DGFavor wrote:
And how exactly would it serve to hinder the breed? Is the shorthair breed so fragile one trial result could ruin it??

Well Doug,

A couple of weeks ago 70 pointers and setters ran in another American Field National Championship; this one was the US Complete National Open Shooting Dog Championship.

Guess what? The judges withheld that National Championship as well! You're the one that keeps telling us about the superior system the AF pointers have; we're just following their lead

Results here:
http://www.uscomplete.org/2008%20NAT%20CH%20RUNNING.htm

Great set of photos here:
http://www.uscomplete.org/all_these_pic ... 2008_n.htm

I guess I don't get why it's so hard to understand that no dog's performance met the standard of the stake, much less the title of 2008 NGSPA National Champion. I mean, we're running a National Championship, not the Special Olympics! (No offense to those folks, they run a great organization)

Maybe you could come next year and award the "Doug Favor Gold Star for Best Effort in a Subpar Performance". You could make sure everyone gets a hug, and that they feel good about themselves before they leave.

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:45 am

Right on Dave!! I like it...well except for the hugs part. I know quite a few of these fellars and I really don't want to touch 'em too bad!!

I'm really not an "every dog gets a ribbon" guy but on a Nat'l Champ "scale" of events with dogs of that quality, I'm just not convinced naming a winner no matter what would be particularly detrimental. This year's Kentucky Derby winner may run a time that my walking horse could beat - but they'll still name him the winner!!

Well that's just crazy with the US Complete deal!! I'll have to read the particulars! Cripes, I'm doin' an AKC walking trial this weekend then a huge, open country AA championship the next - with the same dogs! Don't listen to me!!

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:29 am

When every hour dog that wins a CH, or a species Ch is the quality stud dog everyone should breed to, then I will worry about naming a Ch is detrimental to the breed. Irresponsible breeders who think every titled dog in the land is a quality dog to breed to is what is detrimental to the breed. I understand withholding the CH if no worthy performance was given, I would just like to see some sort of endurance CH.

JMO,

Chip

snips · Post by **snips** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:56 am

Even in NSTRA Nat'l trials they run several series, taking the top dogs from each field that day and running them again. In a couple of their big trials it is beat your bracemate format, then you advance. I like this the best, as it puts the dogs in the worst conditions capable of advancing and playing again, even tho they may have had that luck, or unluck of the draw disadvantage.

Neil Mace · Post by **Neil Mace** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:15 am

lvrgsp, I would just like to see some sort of endurance CH.

JMO,
Chip

That was my intent in mentioning the Indvitational format, you run them for 3 days, an hour, an hour, and then 90 minutes; and you prove the best bird dog.

Neil

Post by **ezzy333** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:50 am

That was my intent in mentioning the Indvitational format, you run them for 3 days, an hour, an hour, and then 90 minutes; and you prove the best bird dog.

Neil

I like that format but the results will tell you the same as they do now. The winner will be the dog that the judges decided did the best. And that is exactly what they should do. But there is no format that decides which is the best dog. All any competion ever tells you is who performed best that day or days. And in most cases with good competion and different conditions, a different dog will win next week. The good ones usually win enough to be awarded the title FC or CH if they are given enough opportunity.

Ezzy

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:51 am

Nice idea, but the trial is already two and a half weeks to three weeks long. Remember there are also a Futurity, Am. Shooting Dog, and an Open Shooting Dog to get through. There are usually around 150 total entries to get through during the trial. The NGSPA Nationals are followed shortly after by the R5 which starts this coming Sunday and is in Illinois, and then the All Breed, so even if people wanted to go to a different format, there would not be time in the schedule. I would imagine right now, down in Booneville, they are scrambling to try to get the last stake done, which is the OSD, so the pros can pull their rigs out and head for the R5.

Crestonegsp · Post by **Crestonegsp** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:41 am

John,

What happened in the ASD?

cckgundogs · Post by **cckgundogs** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:01 pm

George Wilson won with Buzzsaw and Peter Coppens got runner up with Jake. I guess they have about 8 inches of snow and canceled the OSD for today and maybe the whole stake.

Hi-N-Kennels · Post by **Hi-N-Kennels** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:22 pm

Mark
Thanks for the update. They did cancel the OSD. Not a good year in Booneville.

Hank