Training pics

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Ohioonpoint and I were training yesterday and I got some pics. I took some videos also. I am having a problem uploading them. Maybe someone could help. The problem is every program I have when I cut the vidoes it then changes the format. This makes it so I can't upload to Youtube.com. I used two programs one is the windows movie maker but it needs to stay the avi. format and this changes it. Oh ya, check out this racer that flew in from mexico. He was a little of course. I am going to use her as one of my breeders.

Dirtysteve · Post by **Dirtysteve** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:15 pm

Mexico...Just a little ways off course

I had one that flew in my loft from Califonia. Figured if he couldn't find his way home he wasn't worth breeding.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:58 pm

I think the same thing also but you don't know the conditions they got released in. Last weekend my friend had 10 birds sent to a race in Illinois I think it was 500 miles and it was raining all day. They let the birds go anyway. Sat. night 4 birds were back out of hundreds. None of his came back and they had been flying hundreds of miles all summer. Just the fact that this bird made it up here, min. 1500 miles to Mexico, means he is a good flying bird. I would never be able to test the homing ability like that.

NE Vizsla · Post by **NE Vizsla** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:08 pm

there is a website somewhere that has the info on those birds, i dont know about birds from mexico however. i hear some of those birds are worth thousands of dollars.

JeremyKS · Post by **JeremyKS** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:41 pm

I guess I am not sure exactly how a pigeon race works can somebody explain how it works to me??

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:02 pm

The american racing pigeon union may be able to help locate the owner of that bird. The owner may offer a reward if it is a valuable bird.

The band on the left foot is its clock timer. The owner may only want that back. I would at least give them the oportunity. Most likey he/she wouldnt want it back cause it would be a hassle to ship that bird back to Mexico.

Think of it like someone returning your dog

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:03 pm

on second thought that is an 06 band so the bird is probably no older than a year maybe 2 and is not worth all that much.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:43 pm

O6 means it was hatched this year. Probably they have started their young bird races this month. The bird is somewhere between 6 to 9 months old.

Ezzy

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:53 am

ohiogsp wrote:Oh ya, check out this racer that flew in from mexico. He was a little of course. I am going to use her as one of my breeders.

Normally I'd see fit to just let this pass......but when I wake up at 2:00AM and think about it for the next two plus hours I feel compelled to respond.
Let me put this into a little different perspective. Lets say a gent from Ohio we'll call him "ohiogsp" decides to get into bird dogs. He comes by a great young prospect, a nice proud looking dog. Well "ohiogsp", says I think I've try my luck field trialing in say North Dakota.... So "ohio" goes out to the local dog supply house and purchases a new collar complete with shiny new brass name plate, containing all the needed info to protect his nice "self fronted" GSP from loss or theft.... Well, the well made plans all fall in place and "ohio" finds himself and old "Self Fronted" at the gate awaiting the release command, it's given and the trial begins. Time passes and old "SF" seems to be no where to be found........Time passes and "ohio" must return home, sadden but confident that his shiny new name plate on old "SF" will bring him home.... A few days pass and "North Dakota Willie" has his string of fine GSP's out hunting when a lost and scared young dog shows up with his pack. Now "NDW" says wow what a nice young prospect, I think I'll place this young fella on my string as perspective stud for these fine young girls I have here, oh and that new tracking collar, with the dead battery... well I don't have the controller so I'll just disregard that, can't mean much... and so goes the story... You can finish it. I can't predict then ending, but I do have an opinion of that "bleep" from North Dakota...
Now if anybody has a problem with my little story, I don't have a problem with that, but first and foremost I don't hide behind a keyboard and screen....Honesty and integrity defines the character, where I'm from. So if anybody has a real problem with this, I'm easy to find. Randy"pear"Bauman Cell 304-295-9724 Home 304-295-9724......1409 17th Street Vienna, WV. 26015-1205 ... Oh and for what it's worth I hope to be at Killdeer Plains at least part of this coming weekend... "pear"

GsPJustin · Post by **GsPJustin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:31 am

Never Mind.

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:02 am

GsPJustin wrote:Never Mind.

.....and?

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:30 am

It seems to me that OhioGSP may not have known that it is possible to track down the owner via the hardware on the birds legs.

I for one had no idea that was possible.

Before we begin making assumptions about a man's character we should probably get the whole story.

For what it's worth, it's not the best of ideas to place that kind of information on the web.

Just my 2 cents.

Jon

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:36 am

Hey pear, I am North Dakota Willie only in reverse. We found a pros dog last year, Tracker collar on. It took us some phone calls and a 20 mile drive late that night but we had that dog to him about 8 hours later. Us dog guys gotta stick together. No reward by the way, other than some Don Pedros and some good conversation. He was from UT, I from MN. That is how it works in dog circles up there. I did almost lose a good dog to a North Dakota Willie once. Gone three days. He said he knew we were looking, he was going to try find us. Yah, fer sure.

That is why all mine wear a Tracker now, all the time.

But I also was not aware you could trace a bird from the metal, and I am not sure how you would return a bird to a fella in Mexico. Got any suggestions? I do understand that they anticipate some loses, hawks, some birds that can't find the way home. I am not sure Ohio is too far off the track here, dogs and birds are kinda different and gettin a bird back to MX, well, ......

All the same, it would be nice to give the fella a call and just establish relations, assuming you speak Spanish or he speaks English.

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:13 am

John I hear ya and agree with much of what you say. However remember that bird is potentially a $10000 bird or more. I think getting it back would be the loser's responsibility and nothing we need to worry about.

$Even a $1000 dollar bird might be just as important to the owner as a $1000 dog is to us.

Ezzy

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:59 am

I would sure agree with that ezzy. You guys are obviously more up on racers than me. I would try to return a $10,000 bird or a $1,000 bird. I just don't know how you would do it.

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:09 pm

MNGSP wrote:It seems to me that OhioGSP may not have known that it is possible to track down the owner via the hardware on the birds legs.

I for one had no idea that was possible.

Before we begin making assumptions about a man's character we should probably get the whole story.

For what it's worth, it's not the best of ideas to place that kind of information on the web.

Just my 2 cents.

Jon

MN, I have nothing to hide so I'm not concerned about the info, it's on the web anyway.

To address you’re other concerns.... I find it hard to believe anybody would find a bird dog, or any other possessions of worth so well marked without researching it’s origin and/or possible ownership. Remember we are in the “High Tech Age” … Just “Google” homing pigeons and see what you find…

In contacting the owner one may find that he might only want to know what happened to the bird or wish only the return of the expensive hardware. It is possible the pigeon was not off track at all but may have been on a stop over, headed home.

Pigeon racing is a sport of the elite in some countries, so it may be a very valuable bird, I can’t say.

What I can say is this: “Just up and deciding to make a breeder for ones personal collection is just plain wrong.” I'm sorry but where I'm from this certainly does define ones character. Hey maybe I'm wrong but that is the way I see it. ..."pear"

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:39 pm

It all comes down to the knowledge OHIOGSP has in regards to this type of bird. I may be wrong, but I think he was just simply unaware of the cost of these birds, the cost of the hardware, and the ability to track the owner down. I thought the birds were cheap and if one was lost, the owner wouldn't care too much. That's why I thought keeping it wasn't a terrible idea. Certainly not bad enough to define poor character.

You certainly know way more than I do about these birds. I never thought of the fact that the bird could have been on its' way home and simply stopped for a rest.

I took your advice and googled homing pigeons...I never knew how big of a sport it was. In fact, I found the following that OHIOGSP should look into on the international federation of homing pigeon fanciers website:

"Finding the bird's owner.If the bird has a band on its leg, the owner can sometimes be traced through one of the national pigeon organizations. However, this is often not even necessary.
After twenty-four to forty-eight hours rest with food and water, most homing pigeons are more than capable of finding their way home on their own. Simply release the bird in an area free of wires or other obstacles and it will usually head home immediately.
NEVER try to attach a note to the owner by rubber banding it to he bird's leg. This merely cuts off the leg's blood circulation and often leads to gangrene and amputation of the limb. If you do want to attach a small note, tie it carefully to the middle two tail feathers."

For the record, my tone was not one of anger or attack towards you. I was simply suggesting that you might have jumped the gun a bit on the character reference.
I too am a person that regards honesty and integrity as very strong indicators of who a person is. I just think that this is not a case of honesty, rather a lack of knowledge.

What do I know though. Me being 24 years old, you have a few more miles under your boots.

We'll have to wait and hear from OHIO on what his thoughts are.
Why did I get involved in this discussion again

?

Have a great day guys.

Jon

PAHunter · Post by **PAHunter** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:09 pm

I found out alot this info the hard way when I started my loft. I bought a bunch of breeders off a guy a few hour away and had then in my loft for about 5 months A few weeks ago I acidently let a few of them out with my young birds ---- Gone. The breeders were banded with the other guys info and I'm sure there back at his loft now. Next time I'll be more careful. No wonder he was selling them so cheap!!!

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:06 pm

Holy cow, You guys really get on something and beat it to death. First I never said I did not attempt to find the owner!! It is kind of hard with a mexican bird. This organization does not even have a web site to see what club the band is from. This is how you get the phone number. I have attemted to return 3 birds this year alone. I only talked to one owner and one I left messages at the phone number on the listing for the club (nobody called back). The one that called me did not want it back. One of the numbers I called was not even in service. I know alot about racing because I was going to start this year but I could not get enough YB's breed fast enough. There is no $1000 dollar young bird. YB's get valuable from wining races and that just started around here a month ago. The valuable birds do not get to fly because they are used as breeders. This is also a little different than loosing a dog. The guy that I know that taught me about racing keeps 100 YB's to race every year. He will maybe keep 5 of these for breeders. How many people kill 95 dogs a year?

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:13 pm

Pear, I will be at Kildeer plains this weekend and if you have a problem with me come say something to my face!! Here is my pic.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:26 pm

One more thing I e-mail the AU with the band number becuase they will pass the info (my phone number) on to the registry.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:36 pm

Well, here I am, the guy on the right, I won't be at any test in OH but if you see a guy ducking around a corner trying to stay out of the middle that looks like this, it is probably me. Give me a head start cause I don't run very fast anymore.

C'mon you guys, this strikes me as one where people got overly worked up about not too much. Give each other a hug, will ya, and end it.

Have to have grant work out a virtual way to do that. Maybe a little animated .gif

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:41 pm

One more thing I would like to say to you pear. If this is the only thing you got to worry about at 2 in the morning you must have a pretty easy life. Right now at 2 in the morning I worry about my 25 year old wife that has breast cancer and my business not doing well because my dump truck burnt to the ground (I was in it). Then the insurance wants to give me half on what it's worth.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:44 pm

Wagonmaster, you crack me up.

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:52 pm

Ohiogsp,

Lets get back on subject and leave the personal stuff for another time. Maybe you didn't know Pear is working at 2 in the morning and that is when he gets a chance to monitor the forum.

What he said wasn't out of bounds and it sounds like you agree with him since you have made the effort to return the birds you have found. You just made this one sound like you were just going to keep it rather than make the effort and that is what Pear responded to.

So now lets forget it and feel good that both of you care enough to try and do whats right.

Ezzy

Dirtysteve · Post by **Dirtysteve** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:59 pm

Dang I'm the most handsome one here
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Post by **grant** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:37 pm

John,

I was too late! Looks as if all is well....

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:57 pm

What a beautiful sight!

On a personal inside note unrelated to the present thread, I am glad Richard Simmons did not make an appearance.

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:20 pm

"Ohio", With your explanation I have no problem what so ever. However without it I stand behind everything I said and expect you would agree if things were as they appeared... I spend a lot of time here and at very odd hours. I didn't approach this as a moderator and hope I never gave that impression.
A lot of time, (and I mean you have no idea) is spent here (by all of the volunteer moderators) keeping this the number one board on the net, so I take every post apart piece by piece, even when not acting as a moderator, and your post struck a nerve with me, so I posted and well, you know the rest.
I hope we can take this thread and make an example of how posting without giving all the info can look really bad. Folks please try to make all posts as informative as possible and include all the facts. If you take a good look at the bottom of the page each time you log in you'll see the stats for who is logged in. It's pretty rare to not see at least one guest. Post without all the info given can look like we are condoning something we aren't.
As to not having much to worry about...I'll have to humbly say yes I'm very blessed in that respect at this time, and for that I am very thankful.
Once again I totally understand your explanation and have no problem with things as the facts surfaced, and I ask that you and others to take a step back and look at how this all looked with explanation.
My heart goes out to you with the loss of your truck and fight with the insurance company, but that's an other story, maybe Aryes can offer some advice on.
Anyway with that said I hope to see you in Harpster...
Wagon would it be ok if we just shook hands and didn't do the hug thing?? LOL All well that ends well...."pear"

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm

Well, you can end it however you want, but grant already caught that beautiful final moment so I don't think anything further is required Randy.

And may I say that we deeply appreciate the work that you and the other mods do. You don't owe us any explanations, we owe you. Plain and simple.

Aw, geez now I better shut up or grant will think it is hug time again.

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:34 pm

Whoops !!! In my hasty attempt too post before this went any further, I am somewhat embarrassed that I over looked, stating how sincerely sorry I am to hear about your wife and her battle at such a young age. I think I can speak for not only myself but each and every person here... You your wife and family will be deeply in our thoughts prayers and concerns. Now that we have this information I urge you to keep us posted.
Also with as many of us, as close as we are and there are several, I'm sure if there is anything we can do, we will, if you can let us know... "pear"

Post by **pear** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:46 pm

WOW Grant you slipped one in on us there, with the hug. Really doesn't look like the real me...LOL a select few will get that... Bruce, snips....Would it be safe to say at least a few of the folks here have a picture of me in the wallet, and the others have at least see it, and don't even know it? ..."pear"

GsPJustin · Post by **GsPJustin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:10 pm

pear wrote:
GsPJustin wrote:Never Mind.
.....and?

Well, looks like everything is worked out now but this was my original post:

Hey now,

Pear, I understand you dont like what ohiogsp did however. I think there is a little to much character advice being given on this board. Now I dont want any battles, I dont want to jump in the middle and I dont want to start any. That being said. Ohio seems like a prett good guy, probly meant no harm. No offense to the pigeon breeders but its just a bird. I think we ought to lighten up a bit on the character and stick to giving BIRD DOG ADVICE. Thats what the board is here for lets leave it that way.

---------------------------------

I felt it wasnt my place to get in the middle, but since you asked.

On another note.

BLONDEY, AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! I had no clue John was a blondey, oh man this changes everything.

Post by **grant** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:12 pm

Yeah, in John's pic it looks like someone stole cowboy too!!! 12volt's gonna be pissed!!!!!!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:05 pm

If you are talking about me, I am 100% Norwegian by ancestry. Vi komme fra Lønset, Norje. What do you expect.

Actually, I am more salt and peppery with some thinning in the middle.

And no, jumper cable guy cannot have his dog back.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:51 pm

Thanks, to all who will keep in their thoughts and prayers. Lots of people have been doing this, and it has been working well so far. She has been through 2 surgeries to cut out all the cancer and had 4 limphnodes removed and is now doing radiation.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:42 am

Hey Ohio, here we are having fun and I overlooked your post about your wife. We have had too much of that in our family too, and just lost a cousin over the weekend. Our heartfelt sympathies and we very much hope it turns out well for your wife. Our hearts go out to you and your family.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:07 pm

Thank you,

GsPJustin · Post by **GsPJustin** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:11 pm

Yes, goodluck to her in her battle. Im sure she will pull through. My thoughts are with ya.

Post by **ezzy333** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:44 pm

You and your wife have my prayers also. That has to be a terribly rough road to walk at your age.

Ezzy

spankey · Post by **spankey** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:15 pm

Ya know im new to this forum, but not new to dogs and pigeons. Some good points have been brought up, ezzy and what not.
I think we may have gone off the handle a bit there Pear. Now i know what your gonna say about behind the computer crap, so dont.
I agree with the other posts that he might not know how much that bird was worth as well. Heck that bird might be pedigreed better than your dogs for all we know.

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