"AA"?
- ymepointer
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Re: "AA"?
Alcoholics Anonomys ....some refer to it as All age but I think thats just to avoid the embarassment
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- ymepointer
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Re: "AA"?
all kidding aside it is an abrev for the term All Age which refers to a certain field trial stake in the US which is for very wide ranging horseback field trial dogs.
Re: "AA"?
http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too
i hear they are called run offs too
- original mngsp
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Re: "AA"?
Typically yes they are, but i was at a FT once that offered a walking AA stake. Darndest thing i had ever heard of.I knew horses were involved
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Re: "AA"?
tn red wrote:http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too
During a field trial a run off cannot win. A dog that has never placed may be considered a wannabe, not a true All Age.
Mark
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Re: "AA"?
yeh i thought the was a dead give awayBigShooter wrote:tn red wrote:http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too
During a field trial a run off cannot win. A dog that has never placed may be considered a wannabe, not a true All Age.
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Re: "AA"?
What's the difference between a lot of inaccurate barbs with a couple of " " thrown in and just plain old snide remarks?
Mark
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Re: "AA"?
Its OK to have some fun but when you get a serious question form someone trying to learn let's answer his question. We don't need to confuse someone. We can have our fun someplace else.
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
Re: "AA"?
Snide remark? Not at all Mark i think you took me wrongBigShooter wrote:What's the difference between a lot of inaccurate barbs with a couple of " " thrown in and just plain old snide remarks?
- gunner
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Re: "AA"?
My three hot all-age bred pointers are now laying by my feet in my library as I type this. All three have wins in traditional horseback field trials, have been trained on foot and horseback and have hunted over on quail, woodcock, pheasant and grouse. Companion dogs they are.
Lots of misconceptions on AA dogs.
In it's purest sense for years in American Field/ FDSB bird dog field trials, stakes that were open All-Age meant that those stakes were open to anyone to compete with any aged dog they would want to enter. There was no reference about range, performance or mode of handling the dog. I hear that there are still some clubs that run walking all-age stakes in some parts of the country.
Definition of standards of performance have evolved with the various traditional field trial stakes held. Many variables are now included in the judging of those performances which some may depend upon the sponsoring parent club; AKC or American Field FDSB, the part of the country those stakes are being held, the coverts and gamebird species they're run upon, number of courses run, half hour or 3 hour runs, whether the dogs are handled by an amateur or professional, ages of the dogs; puppy or derby, older finished broke dog stakes, weekend local club venues, classics or major championships.
All those various stakes can be a bit confusing and I would suggest folks to actually attend some field trial event. I've never known a field trialer that wasn't a bird hunter first so there can be a lot in common interest. The Amateur Field Trial Clubs of America and the American Field websites answer most questions as to clubs, the stakes they run, where and when, the basic minimum standards field trials clubs are held accountable and guidelines to the judging of those stakes. Most important is the actual performance of those field trial dogs and how their inherent traits so important to the the breeders of dogs coming before the pointing dog fraternity may be observed on a fair field, and judged by knowledgeable non-biased bird dog men.
Bill
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Lots of misconceptions on AA dogs.
In it's purest sense for years in American Field/ FDSB bird dog field trials, stakes that were open All-Age meant that those stakes were open to anyone to compete with any aged dog they would want to enter. There was no reference about range, performance or mode of handling the dog. I hear that there are still some clubs that run walking all-age stakes in some parts of the country.
Definition of standards of performance have evolved with the various traditional field trial stakes held. Many variables are now included in the judging of those performances which some may depend upon the sponsoring parent club; AKC or American Field FDSB, the part of the country those stakes are being held, the coverts and gamebird species they're run upon, number of courses run, half hour or 3 hour runs, whether the dogs are handled by an amateur or professional, ages of the dogs; puppy or derby, older finished broke dog stakes, weekend local club venues, classics or major championships.
All those various stakes can be a bit confusing and I would suggest folks to actually attend some field trial event. I've never known a field trialer that wasn't a bird hunter first so there can be a lot in common interest. The Amateur Field Trial Clubs of America and the American Field websites answer most questions as to clubs, the stakes they run, where and when, the basic minimum standards field trials clubs are held accountable and guidelines to the judging of those stakes. Most important is the actual performance of those field trial dogs and how their inherent traits so important to the the breeders of dogs coming before the pointing dog fraternity may be observed on a fair field, and judged by knowledgeable non-biased bird dog men.
Bill
AFTCA.org
americanfield.com
http://www.region14aftca.com/aftcagu.pdf
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- PntrRookie
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Re: "AA"?
Gunner nailed it. The SIMPLEST way to look at it is that organizations hold trials based on the dog's range.
1. Walking Shooting Dog
2. Horseback Shooting Dog
3. Walking AA (as mentioned above - and I have not seen this)
4. Horseback AA
These lines get blurred too. I have a Walking SD prospect that I run in a couple HB Champion stakes. It all depends on where you are at and what opportunities present themselves. She adapts her range to the cover and the horse vs. walking.
1. Walking Shooting Dog
2. Horseback Shooting Dog
3. Walking AA (as mentioned above - and I have not seen this)
4. Horseback AA
These lines get blurred too. I have a Walking SD prospect that I run in a couple HB Champion stakes. It all depends on where you are at and what opportunities present themselves. She adapts her range to the cover and the horse vs. walking.
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Re: "AA"?
PntrRookie wrote:Gunner nailed it. The SIMPLEST way to look at it is that organizations hold trials based on the dog's range.
1. Walking Shooting Dog
2. Horseback Shooting Dog
3. Walking AA (as mentioned above - and I have not seen this)
4. Horseback AA
These lines get blurred too. I have a Walking SD prospect that I run in a couple HB Champion stakes. It all depends on where you are at and what opportunities present themselves. She adapts her range to the cover and the horse vs. walking.
Since there are a lot of folks reading on here that hunt behind continentals, it should be pointed out that all all of the above stakes are sanctioned by the American Field and wins appear on Feidl Dog Stud Book pedigrees.
There is also the American Kennel Club(AKC) which sanctions a whole different set of field trials(as well as Hunt tests).
These would be:
Walking Gun Dog
Horseback Gun dog
Walking All Age(rare- I've never seen one)
Horseback All Age
There are also several other organizations that offer competitions which differ from both of these. One of the largest is the National Shoot to Retrieve Assn(NSTRA) where the birds are pointed, shot and retrieved for a score.
Lots of different ways to have fun, competitively with your dogs.
RayG
Re: "AA"?
Did you watch it?original mngsp wrote:Typically yes they are, but i was at a FT once that offered a walking AA stake. Darndest thing i had ever heard of.I knew horses were involved
I think that would certainly be a "bleep" interesting thing to see!
- Wagonmaster
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Re: "AA"?
The only difference between what Bill said and what I would say is that I have two, not three, and they are home sleeping on the bed. His probably have better house manners than mine. Mine are awful, couch, bed, begging for treats and such like. I never fed them table scraps but my "pals" up at hunting camp would pass them some under the table, so that is how that got started. Darn AA's anyway.