Weim put down...

fdsjr · Post by **fdsjr** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:02 pm

My cousin had a weim it was recently put down, what a bummer. He had ripped apart a few squirls, and finally it killed a fawn, which put my cousin and family over the edge. He was 4 years old, and kept outdoors. He stayed in a garage and was able to roam free, with an electric fence for boundries. I didnt talk to my cousin much about it yet, but im guessing he was out of the electric fence. Any thoughts on why he did this or what lead to this?? What prevention measures can be taken to ensure something like this wont happen to your bird dog??

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:23 pm

Read http://www.weimclubamerica.org/weimaran ... oryou.html , from the AKC Parent breed club's website.

Does not make it any easier if you are the owner. Tough decision.

The Viz owners on this site can tell you about your pup, but don't think this issue is as much of a concern with V's.

Post by **grant** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:15 pm

Makes me wonder if the dog had other problems… My mom’s toy schnauzers killed a squirrel in the past. Its just a natural thing for dogs to do, especially hunting breeds. I would think mine would attack fur if they ran up on it…. I know they would.

Margaret · Post by **Margaret** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:16 pm

It shows that that not enough homework was done before purchasing this breed. In fact the majority of European versatile hunting dog breeds are prey sharp. This has nothing to do with aggression toward people or other dogs. It's the way they are,
and in particular the Weimaraner was developed for hunting larger game than only birds.

The dog got out and killed a fawn; make sure the dog can't get out. What should have been a learning experience for the owner has been thrown back at the dog, and the dog paid dearly

Marg

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:17 pm

fdsjr wrote:My cousin had a weim it was recently put down, what a bummer. He had ripped apart a few squirls, and finally it killed a fawn, which put my cousin and family over the edge. He was 4 years old, and kept outdoors. He stayed in a garage and was able to roam free, with an electric fence for boundries. I didnt talk to my cousin much about it yet, but im guessing he was out of the electric fence. Any thoughts on why he did this or what lead to this?? What prevention measures can be taken to ensure something like this wont happen to your bird dog??

Sounds to me that your Cousin needs to be put down!!!!! Holy crap it is a hunting dog! Not only that it is breed to be Fur, Feather, fin or what ever! OK if it was chewing on people then I could see the action taken but an animal that in some places it is trained to track and help assist in the bagging of it! Oom my gosh!

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:00 pm

Tell 'em to get a Chitszue (sp) next time.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:22 pm

some people are under the mindset that if it does something they dont approve of there is no other way of fixing the problem so they put the dog down. where in fact it is the owners fault for not taking a more common sense approch. had he asesed the situation he could have conditioned the dog to an e-collar than purcased a live trap caught a few squirrels and gone about teaching it like you would for chassing deer, rabbit, "squirrels", etc. or snakes. he could have also broke down and sought the help of a professional trainer but he probably thought that he couldnt afford it.
I am sorry but imo your cousin is the type of person that doesnt need a dog in their family if he is going to treat it in that manner. even if it is a a lap dog. he should get a cat if he wants an animal to put down when he is fustrated with it.
he could have also signed on to this site to seek the help of others!
that is what we are here for

fdsjr · Post by **fdsjr** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:25 pm

TAK wrote:
fdsjr wrote:My cousin had a weim it was recently put down, what a bummer. He had ripped apart a few squirls, and finally it killed a fawn, which put my cousin and family over the edge. He was 4 years old, and kept outdoors. He stayed in a garage and was able to roam free, with an electric fence for boundries. I didnt talk to my cousin much about it yet, but im guessing he was out of the electric fence. Any thoughts on why he did this or what lead to this?? What prevention measures can be taken to ensure something like this wont happen to your bird dog??
Sounds to me that your Cousin needs to be put down!!!!! Holy crap it is a hunting dog! Not only that it is breed to be Fur, Feather, fin or what ever! OK if it was chewing on people then I could see the action taken but an animal that in some places it is trained to track and help assist in the bagging of it! Oom my gosh!

Naa it wasnt my cousins choice. Like my cousin said he was in his prime, why should I have to put him down? His wife who is pregnant and has a youngster was afraid for her kids. Shes a little controlling and didnt care for the dog in the first place.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:27 pm

First off he dog sounds like it didn't get what was needed ...lets throw up an electric fence and all is happy. This dog should have been in a kennel if they didn't want to be responsible for it...and also electic fences keep a dog in not other animals out...total lack of proper care and maint...

leading to the problem it wans't ever corrected on the small animals so when a fawn was target well the dog was doing what dogs do...they are a predator and one a GENERAL rule if a dog doesn't get the guidance it needs it reverts back to nature.

Sorry I feel way more for the dog then what sounds like carless owners
If this is written wrong or some facts have been left out I will be more then happy to reevaluate what I read But from the post this is MHO

Post by **pear** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:29 pm

...................Sorry it "was" your cousin's choice. I can think of at least a couple other ways to have dealt with the problem........."pear"

mountaindogs · Post by **mountaindogs** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:50 pm

We live on a hunt club. Deer, turkey, quail, pheasant, fishing... etc. The deer and turkey cannot be hunted with dogs (in most states I believe) but our gsp's don't know this. They were bred to find stuff for the hunter to eat. Whatever it is, fur or fowl. So I "break" them from running deer. Not a hard break like I imagine a snake break would be (need to learn to do that!), but just so that they will allow me to call them off and come right back to the proper game. Usually and eventually they give up on deer altogether as I always call them back.

Two years ago I was out of town for almost 2 months and my spouse was running the dogs. The younger male (not quite 2 yrs) and a dog that doesn't belong to us but we were watching ran a doe, practically tripped over the little itty bitty fawn and killed it. So I instructed said spouse to please keep those dogs up untill I returned. Then I took mine out and intentionally led him to likely areas (fawns were much older by this time) he started to run deer and I called him back with here and collar work. (I did drill this in the yard first to have it fresh in his mind, since I had been gone so long.) Took maybe 5 chases and he was stopping and watching the deer run off with no chase. Kept it up off and on while running and the next season I saw several fawns while we were out. He jumps a few feet in their direction then stops and flaggs his tail and looks back at me. I call here and we are on our way again.
Do I think he would chase if I wasn't there? Maybe not the first time, but too much unsupervised time and I imagine he would figure it was okay to try again...

QCBirddogs · Post by **QCBirddogs** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:56 pm

TAK....We have got to meet!

What a shame...the dog was put down for doing exactly what it was bred to do! I hope he doesnt decide to but another dog!

Phil
REO

volraider · Post by **volraider** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:24 pm

your cousin needs to grow some %#$^ If your cousin put down a good dog with a lot of prey drive because his wife made him then he don't deserve a good dog.

People shouldn't buy any animal unless they are fully aware of what that animals instincts are. Many good hunting dogs have been destroyed because of their desire to hunt and not stay locked up in a kennel being quiet.

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:13 am

Thats EXACTLY why we don`t sell our dogs as "pets". Too many ignorant people out there.

Grey Ghost · Post by **Grey Ghost** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:12 am

fdsjr wrote:What prevention measures can be taken to ensure something like this wont happen to your bird dog??

Marry the right woman.

Bird Dog 67 · Post by **Bird Dog 67** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:23 am

Perfect example of the perfect family that SHOULDN'T own a dog. What a waste and more so, what a shame and dishonor to man's best friend. Makes me sick to my stomach!

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:16 am

20 min a day for a few months could have easily cured the deer chasing. They should have sold the dog not put the dog down. Just shows how dumb and curel some people can be.

fdsjr · Post by **fdsjr** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:30 am

Bird Dog 67 wrote:Perfect example of the perfect family that SHOULDN'T own a dog. What a waste and more so, what a shame and dishonor to man's best friend. Makes me sick to my stomach!

Me too I couldnt believe it... dogs are decendants of wolves they have prey drive, like someone said. It pisses me off, anyways, hes an arogant person with no respect... hes a 29 year old millionaire. He had everything handed to him. Me and my Dad talk about it all the time... his dad owned 3 sawmills up north and one day he GAVE one to my cousin. Arent you suppose to earn your living?? Hes such a big headed fool sometimes its hard for us to even go see him. Unfortunately his wife is just in for the money, always has always will be. Luckily his wife isnt going to let him get another dog, ever. Anyways... its a darn shame, I agree he should be put down as well...

sudiegirl · Post by **sudiegirl** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:54 pm

unbelievable. as sad as that is, the dog is probably better off dead than with ownder like that!!

pathetic!!

Country-Side Breeders · Post by **Country-Side Breeders** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:45 pm

fdsjr wrote: What prevention measures can be taken to ensure something like this wont happen to your bird dog??

Time, time, time, time...oh, did I mention time?!!!!

Not only is it your cousins fault, but what kind of screening did the breeder NOT do in order to allow the dog go to this home to begin with and why didn't the breeder keep in contact with the owners to make sure things were going well for him??

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:47 pm

Ya what kinda breeder is this.

All breeders are bad! Bad breeders. Nah Im just playing with you guys. lol

Country-Side Breeders · Post by **Country-Side Breeders** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:57 pm

Post by **ezzy333** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:28 pm

Don't put it back on the breeder. As a breeder you can not be responsible for someone else. I've bought and sold many dogs and have never had a breeder stay in contact except for one that was somewhat of a friend. There is no way you can screen a person to see what kind of an owner he would be. Your info is only as good as the persons word plus circumstances change. The fault here is that the owner took the easiest way out. If they didn't want the dog then they should have placed it with someone or taken the dog to a shelter as a last resort where it could have been placed.

There is nothing to be gained in trying to say the breeder was at fault except to let the ones really responsible off the hook. If you can't accept that occasionally someone with no common sense will screw up then we shouldn't be raising and selling pups. We are trying to say that we have to screen people closer to have a dog than we do to have children. Again place the blame where it belongs, 100% with the individual that had it put down for no good reason.

Ezzy

Country-Side Breeders · Post by **Country-Side Breeders** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:41 pm

Not to change the subject here, but how do you not keep in contact with your sellers? I am in touch with over 95% of mine, regularly, and they're throughout the country.

But, getting back to the subject at hand, I'm not putting it all on the breeder. You're right, it is also the owner's fault in not trying to find a new home for him or putting the time into him that he needed. It's a shame that the dog had to pay the price for the human's stupidity.

Colleen · Post by **Colleen** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:56 pm

One also has to wonder at the intelligence of an individual who thinks any dog, but much less a dog bred specifically for high prey drive, killing small game equates said dog attacking children. My little Biscuit killed a litter of bunnies a couple weeks ago (stupid rabbit -- having a litter where dog smell and urine is all over the place?!?!!?), and this same vicious dog, upon seeing people gets so excited she starts whining and crawls into the lap of anyone and everyone who ever sits down. heck, my parents Yorkie is a great rodent hunter :roll:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:47 pm

I am just joking patty lol. Too bad our breeder doesnt keep in touch with us would be alot of help. Patty do you stay in toutch via email or phone.

Post by **ezzy333** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:51 pm

Patty

It's a shame that the dog had to pay the price for the human's stupidity.

You are so right.

Colleen, the dog wasnt put down for that. That is just the excuse to get rid of a dog that wasn't wanted and they took the lazy mans way out.

Ezzy

Country-Side Breeders · Post by **Country-Side Breeders** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:13 am

Ryan wrote:I am just joking patty lol. Too bad our breeder doesnt keep in touch with us would be alot of help. Patty do you stay in toutch via email or phone.

I know that, Ryan. Just had to give you some razzin' too.

I keep in touch with them through email, phone and visit/training. It's great to see how the dogs turn out and the different personalities in each one.

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:06 pm

Had a good friend call me this AM and we talked about an incident that happend to him kinda like this.... He asked if I was going to put Clown down! He reads here but posts never... This is funny!

Well about a year or so Ago I sent my stud dog Clown out to his house to breed his female. My buddy every 6am in the morning takes his dogs to a field and runs them. Well Clown was there for a couple of days and he too got to stretch out his legs. Well he said that Clown pointed a full Grown Mule Deer Doe. As she got up and ran she was packing her back leg a bit but still moving. Well Clown took chase and pulled the Doe down. My buddy got to Clown and pulled him off the deer and fell on his butt. Not to mention right on a rock and right on the tail bone. In pain and being dragged by Clown he finally got him shut down.
When this all happend I just happen to give him a call when he got home. He told me that his "Donkey" hurt like H E double tooth picks and that Clown, that dirty &&%$#@* had...... I jumped in and had to ask if Clown Bred Maggie or him???? long laughs followed and then he told me the story!

OK I thought it was funny! Guess you had to be there!

Wireviz_lady · Post by **Wireviz_lady** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:10 pm

I send an email everymonth to my puppy people. If I skip a couple of months because I forget till 11 or 12 at night then I will end up giving them a call to see if everthing is going well and if they have any questions. Let them brag up thier babies and of course I have to nag for more pictures!
I highlight the part in my contract about contacting me if they think they need to get rid of the dog. I have first option on any of my pups and that includes putting them down.
I also pay half of spay/neuter so they call me for that. When I find an interesting article I send it to them. Free goodies, ect. Just have to keep the lines of communication open, even if it is smalltalk, so that when the big stuff happens they feel comfortable enough to give you that phone call. Besides I love hear ing the silly antics that my babies pull off as well as the big hunt triumphs! I dont know how someone can send a pup off and never give it a second thought. I bawled for 30 min after taking Cedar to the airport today. He is an awsome pup and I cant wait to see the fantastic dag that he will be. I maybe to there...but it is better than the dogworld equivilent of a deadbeat dad.
~Tell your cuz to get a cat. Of course the cat might eat a mouse and then his short life would be over too.
Man this one got me going for 11 at night. Rambling...need sleep
Gnight

omega58 · Post by **omega58** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:46 am

My weim has brought me three rabbits from the backyard (fenced/suburbs of GR). . .she does not chase rabbits when bird hunting, but weims are known to be "the protectors and watchdogs" of the pointing dogs and she is just protecting "HER TURF". That is one of the reasons that attracted me to the breed. My weim would never intentionally hurt a child because I have done the socialization and did the homework in finding a good breeder. She is great with our baby and would die protecting him or any of us. (there is a winning pic of her and him in the HEAD SHOT CONTEST, she looks pretty mean

)

As everyone else has said, it was not the weims fault, but the owners fault. . . doesn't sound like much the breeder could do much unless they have a contract written up and the owner didn't follow the contract about what to do, then there could be some possible legal action taken by the breeder.

dhondtm · Post by **dhondtm** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:34 am

:roll: Grrrr, as you can see my Weim doesn't eat my cat. I'm with Tak on this issue. Don't let your cousin get another dog if you can help it.

Colleen · Post by **Colleen** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:07 pm

dhondtm, that has to be one of THE cutest things ever!! My older GSP was raised with a cat, and while he gets along fine with them, he just cannot, for the life of him, figure out why the cats don't want to play with him!

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