NGSPA Win Cerificates

Rodger · Post by **Rodger** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:42 pm

Do these things really exist? I've heard they do, but have personally never seen one nor know of anyone that posses one.

A while back Wagonmaster told me that they're issued by the NGSPA, but based on my many failed attempts to secure one, I'm beginning to suspect he sent me out on one big Snipe hunt .

Good one John

Rodger

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:23 pm

I went on the same snipe hunt. Don Kidd says they do exist, I actually saw some handed out by "bleep" Mealman at the R5 in Cameron, MO a year and a half ago, nice looking blue edging and gold lettering, and have not seen one since. I should at least have gotten one for Booneville, don't you think? How many are you missing?

I think they have forgotten about them. I have quit asking.

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:26 pm

I've never heard of an NGSPA specific win certificate...??

Are you sure he's not referring to the standard Am. Field/AFTCA win certificate issued after a qualifying placement? I've never been asked to present one but often trials will list in their premium that handler/dog must have appropriate win certificate(s) to be qualified to participate. An open derby placement pretty well qualifies the dog for most championships.

Sent ya' on the 'ol snipe hunt...

Rodger · Post by **Rodger** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:57 pm

Wagonmaster wrote:

I should at least have gotten one for Booneville.

John, You placed at Boonville??

Seriously though, if you can't get your hands on one for that performance, then there's little hope for the rest of us.

Hey, but at least now I don't feel so bad.

I'm missing the 06 Quail and RU from this past Great Plains Ch.

Doug, As snipe hunt's go, let's just say it's not the first time.

Rodger

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:24 pm

John, You placed at Boonville??

Are you kidding, I couldn't possibly get my old carcass around that course. The dog did ok though.

Doug, the NGSPA is not a member of the AFTCA. It is not the regular AFTCA Certificate. NGSPA does, or did do, its own win certificates. Jean Armbrust was, I was told, supposed to hand them out to the trial secy's or at their request. They seem to have disappeared starting about two years ago. I was told the trial secretaries are supposed to get them and give them out. But I think none of the trial secretaries have heard of them.

Mary · Post by **Mary** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:01 pm

As secretary for a dual registered trial I have never recieved any certificates to hand out. The other local GSP trials that are dual registered do not hand out certificates. I have made sure I make copies of the results of dual registered trials so I have proof.
Mary

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:28 pm

Believe it or not, the certificates do exist and I am afraid that I know how to get them. Just can't post it on here and the person would be absolutely ran over. Send me a PM and I will give you a clue.

It can be and does get done.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:16 pm

Mary, we are talking about Championship certificates. original mngsp can probably tell you how to get certificates to hand out at the dual sanctioned weekend trials, our club up here has always given those out. I have a couple.

Rodger · Post by **Rodger** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:16 pm

PM sent Jerry. Just hope your sincere and not on the snipe committee ......That would be cruel.

So who's got a bonafide NGSPA Ch cerificate, anyone?

Rodger

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:36 am

Huh...never heard of such a thing. Don't think I'll be too concerned about getting them - if we're lucky enough to get a placement, I load up and get the heck out of there before they change their minds!!

original mngsp · Post by **original mngsp** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:20 am

Every time I have been a trial secretary for our clubs weekned AKC trials and have chosen to sanction the trial with the NGSPA also I was always sent win cetrificates in a packet from Jean Armbrust.

What I always have done is hand them out to dogs that have placed, provided the FDSB number was put somewhere on the entry form I recieved. You then fill out the Essential Data Forms and send into the Field after the trial.

My understanding is that by having one of these it is the "ticket" to get into the one-hour species and/or regional chamionships.

Here is what they look like

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:02 pm

Nice job Chris! I would add to that, that a "win" in AF is a 1st, 2d, or 3rd. So you get that certificate for any of those placements. And yes, it is a ticket to run in the hour Championships. You need a prior "win" to enter, and if an Am. Championship, the Am. handler must have put a "win" on a dog (could have been a different dog) at some point in the past.

For Rodger and Doug, no that is not the Championship cert. They are blue and really pretty. I saw one in a bag at a snipe hunt once. Honest.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:13 pm

Got a note back today from Kidd and here it is,"Mike Aldrich will be handling them in the future - we hope to have them on the website so the trial secretary can print them off - some type of limited access. Send Joe Amatulli the info on the win certificates you need - name of dog, stake, etc."

Hope this helps everyone out on this matter.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:02 pm

well I hate to say it, but it sounds like that only solves the sanctioned trial thing. Rodger is looking for the blue championship certificates, for his wins at the Quail last year and the GPC this year.

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:00 am

Yup those Championship NGSPA win certificates really exist. I dug in my files and found this one, they still look the same.
Robbi

PS~Rodger~I got an email saying they were being taken care of and you should get them soon.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:15 pm

There you go Rodger, that is what a snipe looks like. Now, you have to open your burlap sack and go "Here, snipe. Here, snipe." And they will come running.

Rodger · Post by **Rodger** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:39 pm

Those look nice, suitable for framing!

Your right Jerry. Nice to have friends that can "Get er done"!. Thanks Robbi!

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:39 am

I tell you guys what this has to be the biggest and stupidest deal I've seen in quite a long time. I understand that the NGSPA themselves aren't supposed to be the ones to give the certificates out it's supposed to be the field trial club secretaries deal after placements have been read or are mailed to you promptly thereso after the trial. But when someone emails the NGSPA themselves and asks and gets the run around eighteen different times and still can't get the names of the dogs correctly as well as the trials, it just floors me their their running one of our biggest Nationals clubs. For petes sake. I have emailed them 2-3 times myself giving them the placements and trials for Hud's 2 championships and also for the club secretary of the Region 5 for his screw up in putting Shoe's White Joke down as runner up in the AA when it was Chisholm Creek's Cuttin Loose. I swear if I get another email saying they still don't get it I'll crake. Know there's a lot of stuff going on but that is rediculious (sorry if spelled wrong). Anyway, hope it all gets straightened out soon. Keep me posted Rodger.
Robbi

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:12 am

Well, the NGSPA is, as you know, an all voluteer organization. And the person who has been the secretary, has also been responsible for producing the catalogs for the AKC/GSPCA Nationals at Eureka. And she is retiring. They have a new person now, and probably a little patience will solve the problem.

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:44 pm

I know it, just frustrating to all who has to deal with it. I've heard back and for sure the Region 5 placement is being revised and taken care of and also got an email saying that Rodger will be getting Hud's certificates soon.
All and all it'll be okey.
Robbi

sharptailhunter · Post by **sharptailhunter** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:09 pm

I got this one when I was out in yer neck of the woods Robbi. Jan Erbe must have been on the ball because I got it at the end of the trial. It was an AKC trial I thought... do they dual register the trials sometimes?

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:12 pm

whats an Ameture Restricted SD?

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:00 am

Some of the weekend AKC trials are dual sanctioned, AKC and NGSPA. An Amateur Restricted Shooting Dog is NGSPA parlance for the Amateur Limited Gun Dog in such a dual sanctioned trial. It can also mean a plain Amateur Gun Dog, but restricted as to the breeds that can enter, such as GSP's only, or Britts only. "Restricted" means eligible entries are restricted or limited in some way.

Alex, that is a "Win Certificate," see the earlier post. Looks like a nice win. Have you finished that dog? Is it an AFC or FC?

sharptailhunter · Post by **sharptailhunter** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:18 pm

Casper,

That stake was "limited" to dogs who had placed in an AKC amateur stake before. It was also a retrieving stake, as were most of the limited stakes out that way.

John,

That was one of the best stakes that Smoke has ever ran. It was one of those ones where I was able to just sit back in the saddle and not have to say a word. He handled beautifully and really just made it fun for me, the judges and the gallery. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to finish him while I was out in Nebraska, anesthesia school took up most of my time so I couldn't really trial real seriously. He and I did finish a jumbo sized pepperoni pizza the other night, does that count?

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:35 pm

So did you just knock him out and say he was finished than ate the rest of the pizza?

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:31 am

Mine will both finish a pizza for you if you leave it on any surface lower than about 5'.

Good luck with that dog Alex. Maybe this fall. Then what are you going to do with it? Is that the dog you ran at the R9?

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:04 am

He and I did finish a jumbo sized pepperoni pizza the other night, does that count?

I don't even know you anymore man...tsk, tsk, tsk. I just got back from a 54" minute pullathon up City Creek Canyon with both Trixie and Stitch hooked to me. That new set up works great and I figure if I trip up they'll wrap themselves around a tree before I drag to death. Pizza? Hmmph!!

nrcgsp · Post by **nrcgsp** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:41 pm

I have two hanging on my wall, both from Reg. V, one win Magnum won and one when he was runner up. We are missing however, Kessie's Nat'l Shooting Dog R-up, her Reg. V asd runner up, we are also missing Magnum's Quail Runner up. SO they are there, but NOT sec. either get them or hand them out. Both of mine I received in the mail. I have contacted Am. Field themselves about the missing one from the quail, and they said they would have it sent, that has been 2 years in the mail

I know when I was the trial sec. for weekend dual sancationed trials, Jean Armbrust would send me the placement certificates with the trial approval and judges' sheets etc. I would fill them out and hand out as the placements were given.

sharptailhunter · Post by **sharptailhunter** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:31 pm

That's actually a pretty sweet looking certificate. Kris is having it framed for me, gonna put it right next to his 2 (yeah only two) other ribbons.