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Dog Scootering to Condition

Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:36 am

Have succeeded finally in getting some pictures up. Here is a dog scooter:

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This particular one I purchased on ebay for $150. It is built like a mountain bike. They are used in downhill ski areas during the summer. There are many types and varieties. This one is built to handle some speed.

It has good v-brakes that operate the same as bicycle brakes. I have a cheap cyclometer mounted on this one, to track speed, time, distance. Ignore the little bell thingy, it came with the scooter and is worthless:

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The major advantage over a bicycle is the ability to hop off if the dogs stop suddenly. With a bike, you are going down. Here is the platform you stand on. :

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Here is the entire line and harnesses for two dogs. The black section was purchased, the yellow tug lines to the dogs I made up, one harness is an old Hulan and I do not know what the other one is, it is old. Laying between the two harnesses is a neck line. It is attached to each dog at the collar, and prevents them from fanning out or boloing people on the trial:

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This is a close up of the main line, which I purchased from a source on dogscooter.com. It has a ring and clip at one end so you can loop the line around the vertical front stem of the bike and clip the line to itself. It has a chunky looking section roughly a foot long that has bungee cord embedded in it to take up shocks. The end furthest from the scooter (not in the pic.) is just a loop. There are instructions available on the Internet to make this whole section yourself. I bought mine, it being my first try at this.

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Here are the two tug lines attached to the loop on the end of the main line. It is important not to use hardware clips here, just a loop to loop connection. Hardware in the middle of the line will cause an annoying "jump rope" swinging effect.

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Here are the harnesses and neck line. I have also used sled dog harnesses, and they work well, but don't have one sized to my dogs at the moment. Note that in this case, I have one dog slightly ahead of the other. I have one dog that is great in lead, and the other is just learning to run, so I have the learn a little behind the lead dog, to give her some incentive. In a week or so, I will equalize the length of the two lines.

(whoops, i edited to add cause this one did not post the first time)

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And here is the whole deal, complete with batteries installed. You will note that one of the batteries is in heat, and wearing a diaper:

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Here is a "just braggin" photo of the lead dog, my trial dog, on point on a chukar in WY:

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A couple of notes. Given the speed we travel at, the total length of my line is about 12'. This gives me time to stop without overrunning the dogs, if they stop suddenly. At the speeds we hit (20 mph) you have to watch them like a hawk, and also watch the trail ahead for things that might cause them to stop or veer off, like squirrels. Also, in the second to last photo you can see that the main line is capable of wrapping around the bike wheel. I really have not found this to be a problem, once the dogs are going, the line is never slack. Lastly, I carry two water bottles on a belt. This is strenuous and you need to take care of the dogs. Do not run in excessive heat, never over 90 degrees, and careful even in the mid-70's if the dog is not already acclimated. Start with short runs, a mile or two. Wear glasses, the rocks come off the dogs feet. Watch their pads on roads with pebbles or rocks, and use boots if necessary.

Last but not least, you can make all the lines you want with polyester rope from the hardware store. I think the ones in these pics are 3/8" but I will probably go even lighter next time. You need a fid, which is cheap to purchase, and you can find instructions on the Internet on how to make a loop slice. You could just use a large diameter empty ball point pen for a fid. Will try find the URL for loop instructions, and post it.

And wear a dang helmet and bike gloves, will ya please? And long pants. Stuff happens.
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Post by Hotpepper » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:47 am

That is all really good, you have put some thought into it.

I think I will not road my dog this summer but do something similar to what you are doing John. I live very close to a lot of farm ground and no traffic and can do this with a bicycle. It is flat with very little if any grade and would be great for me as well.

You have inspired me.

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Post by Hotpepper » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:48 am

Forgot something.

That "Spot" dog sure is a good looker. Have you bred him to something that looks as good as he does.

Man what an eye catcher. :lol:

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Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:02 am

From the school of hard knocks, I would recommend against a bicycle Jerry. I have gone down hard several times, then forget how bad it is and try it again. The dog will stop to pee, or check out another dog, or because a rabbit goes across the road, and on a bicycle, you are kind of speared on that seat and have no options. If you do use a bike, first you have to use a low one, so you can get your feet on the ground right quick. Second, the people who do bikjoring as it is called, hold on to the line to the dogs by hand, so they can let go instantly. Course, with trial dogs, the dogs are off and running at that point. I would check out ebay, that is where I found mine. Do a search on "mountain scooter." This rig is ideal for a guy with a couple of dogs to road, not a whole rack full. You can give them basically any kind of workout you want, long, short, intervals, put the brakes on for more load. It is fun to boot. Wheeee!

The guru is MegC who hangs out on Terry Chandler's board, www.shorthair.net. She is a sled dog person with a team of trial stock shorthairs, would you believe. Her husband hunts them I gather.

Spot does make it a habit to stand high and tight on point. I like that don't we all. Time will tell how he will make out on the NGSPA circuit. He was bred once to a trial dog 15 months ago, and once to a hunting dog. Three pups out of the trial breeding all have puppy points, and went one-two-three in a recent AKC Derby at TCGWPC. The owners always pull them out to show me, when I go out to the local trials, so they must like em. I guess we will see.

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Post by Greg Jennings » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:49 am

The guru is MegC who hangs out on Terry Chandler's board, www.shorthair.net. She is a sled dog person with a team of trial stock shorthairs, would you believe. Her husband hunts them I gather.
It's http://www.shorthairs.net . Note the 's'.

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Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:53 am

you are right, thanks, my masseuse is always telling me i am one "s" short of a full load.

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Post by NDBDHunter » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:34 am

Yeah John,
This looks fun. I do something similiar with my bike. I hold the leads in my hand, but I'm always so close to hitting the payment it's not funny. I'll have to take a look for those scooters. Thanks

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Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:44 am

early last year, i was trying to road my female from a bike to condition her. She was getting pretty enthusiastic about pulling, and we were having a good time. Then one evening we went by some pilings that, in the evening light, looked like the upper torso of a man hiding behind a tree. she made a 90 and ran at it immediately, we were probably doing 17 or 18 mph. i went down and got pretty scraped up. the whole deal scared her so much that I could not get her to pull by herself. that is why she is the dog in the short lead, re-learning from the trial dog how to pull and enjoy it. happily, it is working.

which was when i decided it was worth doing a little research into this dogscootering thing. alot safer for me and for the dogs.

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Post by Greg Jennings » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:55 am

Wagonmaster wrote:early last year, i was trying to road my female from a bike to condition her. She was getting pretty enthusiastic about pulling, and we were having a good time. Then one evening we went by some pilings that, in the evening light, looked like the upper torso of a man hiding behind a tree. she made a 90 and ran at it immediately, we were probably doing 17 or 18 mph. i went down and got pretty scraped up. the whole deal scared her so much that I could not get her to pull by herself. that is why she is the dog in the short lead, re-learning from the trial dog how to pull and enjoy it. happily, it is working.

which was when i decided it was worth doing a little research into this dogscootering thing. alot safer for me and for the dogs.
I had the same thing happen twice. Once with a rabbit and the second with a cat. I gave up on bikes.

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Post by Ayres » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:01 pm

How do you get them to run in a line, in the same direction? Or turn where you want to turn?

Maybe it's easy and they just do it? I don't know.
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Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:38 pm

Steven, I did a reply to your post and it appears to have disappeared. Our Internet connection was bad today. Let me try recreate.

I run mostly on a clay pack trail called the Luce Line. Trees and stuff on both sides, so the dogs really only have one choice. However, the sled dog people do "gee" (turn right) and "haw" (turn left) and "line out" (extend the line before starting) and some other commands. Lots of good instruction on that at dogscooter.com or the links there, and on some of the sled dog sites.

Mine are pretty well trained bird dogs, so we don't often have a failure to communicate. I use "whoa" to get them to stand with the line tight. "Alright" to take off. That is about it. I use "over" to get them to move to one side of the trail to pass someone or something, but mostly I guide them over there by moving the scooter to that side. They naturally follow. I use "no" to discourage them from chasing squirrels, rabbits, dogs along the way, other stuff. I use whoa and the brakes to stop them again. Pretty simple. They just kind of get it.

Also, having them tied together by a neck line helps keep them going in a line instead of wandering off. My lead dog knows the program pretty well.

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Post by gundogguru » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:47 pm

I would kill myself on that thing :D

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Post by AHGSP » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:23 pm

John,

This is pretty awesome! You should consider putting this in the "Articles" section.
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Post by GsPJustin » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:26 am

You know what!!!

Bike, scooter, skates WHATEVER!!! At 20 mph your going down hard, all I can say is OUCH!, and where a helmet.

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Post by Wa Chukar Hunter » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:47 am

I admire your inventiveness - but for the time being I will still run with my dogs in harness and in drags (them) mostly because I need to get my fat butt in shape too :oops: :D

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Post by ezzy333 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:35 am

Bet that is a site with two dogs being followed by a guy in drag. :roll: :roll:

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Post by Wagonmaster » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:11 am

here is a link to instructions for making a tow line (main line), tug line, etc. Not only is it really simple, but once you figure it out, you can make all the leads/leashes you want from braided rope.

http://skijor.hypermart.net/line_article.html

justin, with the scooter with good handlebar brakes, you are able to stop the thing, or at least slow down, before you hop off. am not the most athletic graceful guy either. what can i say? it works good and I am still with the living. i have not gone down on it yet, while with a bike, that was a regular occurence.

PS MegC who hangs around on shorthairs.net, dog scooters with shorthairs. She has her own web page. http://www.elltel.net/capon/dogs/pulling/pulling.htm Hey Justin, if a girl can do it, you can do it (sorry Meg, I could not resist). :D

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