Anybody ever use a pronge collar?
Anybody ever use a pronge collar?
I just bought a prong collar for Zoey and was wondering if anybody had any experience with one?
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there are two collars that fit that bill. one is usually called a pinch collar, or J.A.S.A. collar. it is leather with small brads on the inside. despite the sound of it, it works really well.
the other is the collar you can buy at Petco or Petsmart that looks a little like a choke chain, but has metal fingers or prongs that grab a dogs neck. that works good also.
either of these is much preferable to the standard choke chain that has been used for years, and which causes damage to the larynx. they require much less "snap" force by the user to get the desired reaction from the dog.
ever seen momma dog bring the kids in line? bite around the neck or the muzzle. not to hurt, just to tell them shape up. that is how these collars work.
easy does it.
the other is the collar you can buy at Petco or Petsmart that looks a little like a choke chain, but has metal fingers or prongs that grab a dogs neck. that works good also.
either of these is much preferable to the standard choke chain that has been used for years, and which causes damage to the larynx. they require much less "snap" force by the user to get the desired reaction from the dog.
ever seen momma dog bring the kids in line? bite around the neck or the muzzle. not to hurt, just to tell them shape up. that is how these collars work.
easy does it.
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Trick with any training tool is how they are used...after trying many different kinds I have found the command lead with the HUntsmith methods and the e collars to be the easiet to convey not only to the dog i am working with but also helping a new handlers work with their dog
most prong collars people end up with a tendacy of letting the dog brace themselves against it..though the same can haapen with the command lead it is much easier to keep the command lead in the proper position so that bracing against doesn't happen..Once your dog is bracing themselves against the collar you have a dog not listening to you at that point..this is a point of frustration. if you know to identify with this then you can stop and take situations back to where you have control
have fun
most prong collars people end up with a tendacy of letting the dog brace themselves against it..though the same can haapen with the command lead it is much easier to keep the command lead in the proper position so that bracing against doesn't happen..Once your dog is bracing themselves against the collar you have a dog not listening to you at that point..this is a point of frustration. if you know to identify with this then you can stop and take situations back to where you have control
have fun
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I like using the Delmar Smith wonder lead (may be the same thing as the Huntsmith command lead) for walks when a dog is pulling on the leash. With the wonder lead, which is basically just a piggin' string, the stiff slip rope slips up to two pressure points behind the dog's ears telling them to "stop pulling."
I've heard similar responses from people using a gentle lead, which seems to be some sort of leash/muzzle combo.
I like the metal pinch collar for teaching commands such as heel and woah. The pinch easily converts over to the nick of the e-collar. As such, I shy away from using it just to go on walks because I don't want it to lose its effect.
I've heard similar responses from people using a gentle lead, which seems to be some sort of leash/muzzle combo.
I like the metal pinch collar for teaching commands such as heel and woah. The pinch easily converts over to the nick of the e-collar. As such, I shy away from using it just to go on walks because I don't want it to lose its effect.
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yes the lead I was speaking of is the Delmar Smith command lead
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I have found the metal pinch to be very effective with "whoa" and "heel" also. Zoomie has learned very quickly not to pull on this collar. I usually let him pull on his fabric collar a bit though. This is good for strength conditioning, according to Delmar Smith.Ayres wrote:
I like the metal pinch collar for teaching commands such as heel and woah. The pinch easily converts over to the nick of the e-collar. As such, I shy away from using it just to go on walks because I don't want it to lose its effect.
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Command lead #1 for me.
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you don't need five feet of slack, just a little, and little pops. you have probably found that out by now.I was going to leave her with about 5' of slack and when she starts to breech it I will snap it back towards her. But these aren't choke collars so I shouldn't be snapping back as hard as I would with one of those, correct?
you might consider getting a harness for pulling. a little easier on the dog, and nylon harnesses are dirt cheap and last forever