What to use for treats/rewards when training?

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What to use for treats/rewards when training?

Post by Manitou » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:53 pm

Another rookie question for ya!

My wife and I are really strict about all of our dog's diets. Always have been. I can't stand to see a fat dog! Some owners just love their dogs to death. :cry:

Anyway, what are some suggestions for rewards and treats during training sessions that my dog will like but will not damage her health?

Secondly, is there anyone out there that can teach ME to only eat healthy treats?! :lol:

Thanks,
Rick

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Post by kninebirddog » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:24 pm

I just use a gentle stroke down the back if I feel the dog should feel something
Most impotant thing though Rewards do not mean release

Basically you do not see an alpha dog reward a dog in the pack for doing somthing right ...so rewarding a dog is more for the handler then it is the dog
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Post by Ayres » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:34 am

kninebirddog wrote:Basically you do not see an alpha dog reward a dog in the pack for doing somthing right ...so rewarding a dog is more for the handler then it is the dog
I do agree that praise is usually reward enough, but using a treat to reward a dog that is food motivated is not just for the handler. Dogs associate receiving a treat with doing something good. Giving a treat after the dog performs a desired behavior is a positive reinforcement of that behavior.

Alpha dogs don't have the capacity to reward a dog in the pack. We, as handlers, do.

As for what types of treats: go with something very small. Even if your dog is bigger, a smaller treat can be given more frequently. If you have larger treats, cut them into smaller bits. And then remember to not overuse the treats. Where praise will work, use praise. You can never run out of that.
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Post by ezzy333 » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:31 am

There are many treats besides food that a dog craves. Under normal situations food should not be necessary and is just something else for you to carry when you already have more to do than you can keep track of. The only time I would even consider a treat is when everything else has been tried and failed. The problem with treats is you can't forget or run out, they are just amother thing to remember, and a pat on the head or a word of encouragement will normally work just as well. Finding a bird, holding till you get there and you knocking it down and letting the dog retrieve is treat enough for most dogs. After all, that is what they have been bred to do and what they love to do and they don't do it so they can eat.

Next time you go hunting and find a bird, when you kick it up have a piece of candy rather than shoot and see if you come home with more birds and enjoy it more. Bet you won't be able to wait till you can go again.

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Post by birddog » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:38 am

Though I don't use treats as a reward while in the field, I will give them a Milk Bone as a treat, when they come in from outside after releaving themselves. It's healthy and they love it.

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Post by Manitou » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:46 am

Good points. Actually, I'm relieved that I don't have to remember another item to take to the training field, or another step in the training process.

Thanks all, for the assistance.

Rick

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Post by ViniferaVizslas » Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:17 am

I only use food rewards to teach the meaning of a command then praise as a reward/reinforcement. Food rewards are effective for young puppies when you don't want to use a correction and you want the pup to focus on the lesson at hand. I never use them outside of my home.

Small, soft and tasty. The dog should literally swallow the reward not chew it. If it's big enough to chew the dog will be distracted from the lesson and may try to run off to enjoy his snack. I use cheese or Bil-Jac brand liver treats.

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Post by Margaret » Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:23 pm

ViniferaVizslas wrote:I only use food rewards to teach the meaning of a command then praise as a reward/reinforcement. Food rewards are effective for young puppies when you don't want to use a correction and you want the pup to focus on the lesson at hand. I never use them outside of my home.

Small, soft and tasty. The dog should literally swallow the reward not chew it. If it's big enough to chew the dog will be distracted from the lesson and may try to run off to enjoy his snack. I use cheese or Bil-Jac brand liver treats.
I agree.
I'd add I always give my dogs a dog biscuit when they go into their pens, that's a reward.

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Post by Ayres » Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:20 pm

ezzy333 wrote:Next time you go hunting and find a bird, when you kick it up have a piece of candy rather than shoot and see if you come home with more birds and enjoy it more. Bet you won't be able to wait till you can go again.
Well, point taken. But I think that's a little over the top.

I think I made the mistake of assuming that the treats in the "training sessions" were for basic commands and introductary yard work for a puppy. With that assumption, I stand by what I said. Treats are not harmful at all and actually are very beneficial to speed things along.

I never carry treats in the field. I certainly didn't mean to insinuate that I use treats for field work. As mentioned, finding birds is treat enough. Handle it properly and a retrieve is the next level of reward.

Treats can also be transitioned into other forms of reward, so you won't be strapped into giving food treats all the time. Don't think that, just because you gave your dog a treat to get him to do the right thing, you'll have to give him one every time or he will start blowing you off. A treat in beginning training can easily be changed into just a praise reward down the road. It works, I've done it.
ViniferaVizslas wrote:I only use food rewards to teach the meaning of a command then praise as a reward/reinforcement. Food rewards are effective for young puppies when you don't want to use a correction and you want the pup to focus on the lesson at hand. I never use them outside of my home.

Small, soft and tasty. The dog should literally swallow the reward not chew it. If it's big enough to chew the dog will be distracted from the lesson and may try to run off to enjoy his snack. I use cheese or Bil-Jac brand liver treats.
This is exactly what I meant on both counts. (use and size)
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Post by SteveB » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:47 pm

When I make jerky (deer, duck, goose or whatever) I dry all of the scraps that are too small without any marinade and use those. I feel better having not wasted any game and I figure that I can't buy a healthier treat. It's also a good justification for shooting spoonies and mergansers :oops: :wink:
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Post by gunner » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:34 pm

Feeding treats for a reward always reminds of the story about the blind man and his black labrador seeing eye dog Fido.
They lived in New Orleans and were often seen walking in the French Quarter.
There was a big rice producers convention going on in town and one of the attendees who loved to duck hunt happened to be walking across the street from the blind man and dog Fido.
The rice guy was extremely impressed as he watched Fido lead his master around a ladder that was proped up against a brick building, as well when the dog seemed to check up and warn his master about a steep curb, and also to give warning about a wrought iron gate that was left open.
Well the rice man walked cross the street and said hello to the blind man and struck up a conversation about how he was delighted to see such a wonderfully trained animal.
The blind man was happy to share with the riceman how old Fido was, his breeding and training information. As the conversation was going on Fido abruptly lifted his leg and urinated on on his masters leg.
The rice man was especially surprised and shocked to see the blind man reach into his coat pocket and pull out a doggy yum-yum and proceeded to give it to Fido.
"I can't believe you're rewarding your dog, after he just pissed all over your trousers, said the riceman"
"heck no I'm not rewarding the SOB said the blindman. I just wanted to find his head so I could kick 'em in his arse."

Oh well, so much for the reward system.

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Post by TAK » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:54 pm

gunner wrote:Feeding treats for a reward always reminds of the story about the blind man and his black labrador seeing eye dog Fido.
They lived in New Orleans and were often seen walking in the French Quarter.
There was a big rice producers convention going on in town and one of the attendees who loved to duck hunt happened to be walking across the street from the blind man and dog Fido.
The rice guy was extremely impressed as he watched Fido lead his master around a ladder that was proped up against a brick building, as well when the dog seemed to check up and warn his master about a steep curb, and also to give warning about a wrought iron gate that was left open.
Well the rice man walked cross the street and said hello to the blind man and struck up a conversation about how he was delighted to see such a wonderfully trained animal.
The blind man was happy to share with the riceman how old Fido was, his breeding and training information. As the conversation was going on Fido abruptly lifted his leg and urinated on on his masters leg.
The rice man was especially surprised and shocked to see the blind man reach into his coat pocket and pull out a doggy yum-yum and proceeded to give it to Fido.
"I can't believe you're rewarding your dog, after he just pissed all over your trousers, said the riceman"
"heck no I'm not rewarding the SOB said the blindman. I just wanted to find his head so I could kick 'em in his arse."

Oh well, so much for the reward system.

Bill

Great read! Still rolling on the floor!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Casper » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:58 pm

:lol: :lol:

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Post by llewgor » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:11 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by RabbitBeagle » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:05 pm

I will either cut up a treat into small peice so I can only give her one total treat or just give her dog food as a reward along with an ear scratch. :wink:

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