Ivermectin

[mcbosco]

This is a helpful link on mixing.

http://www.dogaware.com/health/ivomec.html#
http://www.dogaware.com/health/ivomec.h ... nterprises

[Cajun Casey]

What's the point of mixing?

[mcbosco]

I don't understand your question. Why would you give the 1% liquid for Heartworms without diluting.

[kninebirddog]

I don't understand your question. Why would you give the 1% liquid for Heartworms without diluting.

because higher dose covers other worms that the lower HW dose won't

[PrairieGoat]

Mixing also allows you to measure it more accurately on most syringes if you are using the lower levels that match what most HW medicine contains.

[ezzy333]

Since there is extremely low possibilities of having a problrm with higher levels I will continue to use the 1% and give enough that I don't have to use any other wormer. It has worke well for 7 years now and for puppies as well as the grown dogs. Plus unless you are treating a lot of dogs you will have material left when it outdates.

Ezzy

[kumate]

I have used the liq ivermectin at 1cc per 1oolbs undiluted for 20 yrs. Since most of my dogs were at least 50 lbs, 1/2 cc is easy on a 3cc syringe. At times i would squirt it on a little piece of bread with a dab of peanut butter for those that i didnt feel like fighting with.

JERRY

[birddog1968]

I believe i read somewhere that you would have to get to 27 times the normal dose to get into the toxicity range.

1cc of ivomec 1% is 10,000 micrograms

a heartguard tab for a dog over 50 lbs is 300 micrograms (roughly)

Using those numbers its pretty easy to calculate how much is in the ball park.
I give my dogs between 500 and 1000 micrograms using the higher dose every third month. I don't mix either, but fully understand why some folks might want too.

[GUNDOGS]

I have always just bought revolution liquid that goes on the dogs back, use 1 tube each month for 6 months each year and i pay $150 which it covers fleas, ticks, mites and some worms as well as heartworm protection..so are you using other preventatives for fleas/ticks/mites and internal parasites or just preventing heartworm..where do you guys get the ivermectin and how much is it for say a 80 pound dog, also do most of you give it the whole year or just summer months?....thanks...ruth

[kninebirddog]

I give year round. and do approx 1/10th cc per 10 pounds of body weight even at 50 dollars for a 50ml bottle that for me does about 100 dogs

[mcbosco]

Ruth, you have to come over to the dark side. LOL

Hold on to your Peameal Bacon Sandwich, but a two year supply (because of the expiration date) of ivermectin 1.87% paste is $5 - $10. I use 1/2 click for a 90lb dog. I use it 10 months.

The liquid is more but it costs around $35 for 50ml. With two dogs you would never get close to using it within the expiration date. Split it with a bunch of friends.

With two dogs it is probably easiest to just buy Zimectrin or Durvet Apple Flavor paste.

[GUNDOGS]

OH GOODNESS!!..i just dropped my peameal bacon sandwich EH!! ..i wonder where i could find it here..it gets expensive for upto 5 dogs in the summer months..i usually spend 3000 bucks a year for my rescues on preventatives and vaccines, neutering/spaying and treatments not including treats and food and not including my own dogs expenses..but i do get free visorbit vitamins ..i will have to look into it to start saving money on the rescues cause its breakin the bank ..thanks for the info.....ruth

[mcbosco]

Any feed store will have either product. Or online, like Jeffers Pet. No prescription is required.

[GUNDOGS]

Any feed store will have either product. Or online, like Jeffers Pet. No prescription is required.

Thanks i will look into it ..i am a creature of habit so i cant guarantee i will come to the dark side but i am definitely open to weighing my options.....ruth

[birddog1968]

Just for discussions sake...

I used to give 1/10 cc per 10lbs which equals 4/10ths on a 40 lb dog. that is 4000 micrograms.

Then I went to 1/10th cc per 20 lbs which is 2/10ths on a 40 lb dog which is 2000 micrograms.

Thats alot compared to a 300 microgram heartguard pill.

I don't think it will in any way hurt the dog but now i give even less except once every 3rd month. I basiclly give 1/10th to all my dogs except dogs under a year who i will give 1/20th or half a tenth a cc.

One vet said to me, "you can basiclly just wave the bottle under their snout" LOL

I have thought about going to the .27 % solution just to make it easier to measure. I live in a heartworm RICH area....they will get heartworm if they're not medicated. The Maryland state bird is the mosquito

[GUNDOGS]

Just for discussions sake...

I used to give 1/10 cc per 10lbs which equals 4/10ths on a 40 lb dog. that is 4000 micrograms.

Then I went to 1/10th cc per 20 lbs which is 2/10ths on a 40 lb dog which is 2000 micrograms.

Thats alot compared to a 300 microgram heartguard pill.

I don't think it will in any way hurt the dog but now i give even less except once every 3rd month. I basiclly give 1/10th to all my dogs except dogs under a year who i will give 1/20th or half a tenth a cc.

One vet said to me, "you can basiclly just wave the bottle under their snout" LOL

I have thought about going to the .27 % solution just to make it easier to measure. I live in a heartworm RICH area....they will get heartworm if they're not medicated.

The Maryland state bird is the mosquito

[PrairieGoat]

I believe i read somewhere that you would have to get to 27 times the normal dose to get into the toxicity range.

For most birddogs you may be right, but I seem to remember that this is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE for any dog with collie-type genetics. For some reason the ivermectin passes the blood/brain barrier easier in collies and dogs that have collie genetics (mutts or otherwise)....people doing rescue work or that have other dogs at home may need to be careful due to this effect.

[birddog1968]

Right, I had forgotten that.....Good catch.

Wonder if that applies to border collies as well?

[Cajun Casey]

White feet, don't treat. All herding breeds are included.

[snips]

I give 1/10 cc per 20 lbs for 30 yrs.....Works great. My vet gave me that dose and has always worked....Deworms them also...

[mcclinj]

Is that a liquid or a paste, I think I'm gonna let the vet worm my pup one more time and then look into the ivermectin. I see tractor supply has a tube (assume its a paste) of 1.87% for around $4.00.

How much would a 25 lb puppy get of the paste form?

-John

[GUNDOGS]

I believe i read somewhere that you would have to get to 27 times the normal dose to get into the toxicity range.

For most birddogs you may be right, but I seem to remember that this is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE for any dog with collie-type genetics. For some reason the ivermectin passes the blood/brain barrier easier in collies and dogs that have collie genetics (mutts or otherwise)....people doing rescue work or that have other dogs at home may need to be careful due to this effect.

Yes i was aware of that restriction, thanks for the heads up, good info!!...ruth

[Birddog3412]

I have thought about going to the .27 % solution just to make it easier to measure. I live in a heartworm RICH area....they will get heartworm if they're not medicated. The Maryland state bird is the mosquito

This is what I have been doing for about 5 years now, I got the idea from a local guy. It works great 1cc to 20lbs.

BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM.

I just went to buy some .27% ivomectin a couple weeks ago, found out it was discontinued. Dangit!!

[snips]

...1/10 cc per 20 lbs! That is 1%.

[dan v]

Here in lies the reason I won't counsel anybody on the rate of ivermectin. To many just don't care to put the time in to do the research on their own.....and then we see people posting incorrect amounts. Not directed at snips.

[ezzy333]

I use the same amount as Snips or maybe a little more since I don't weigh the dogs very often. 0.1cc per 20 lbs works well if using the 1% material.

Ezzy

[Cajun Casey]

Two very useful working dog sites.

http://www.beaglesunlimited.com/

http://www.terrierman.com/

[Birddog3412]

Here in lies the reason I won't counsel anybody on the rate of ivermectin. To many just don't care to put the time in to do the research on their own.....and then we see people posting incorrect amounts. Not directed at snips.

At me??

[kumate]

Ezzy, i thought you used the .1 cc per 10lbs of the 1% which is what i use. Greg uses half that dose?

Jerry

[kumate]

oops meant to say brenda uses half that dose

Jerry

[dan v]

Here in lies the reason I won't counsel anybody on the rate of ivermectin. To many just don't care to put the time in to do the research on their own.....and then we see people posting incorrect amounts. Not directed at snips.

At me??

You want it to be?

You see it on nearly every dog forum...this one is no different.

[Chukar12]

I free feed it, they will take what they need....


WAIT I WAS KIDDING DON"T DO THAT

[PrairieGoat]

At the other end of the spectrum.....for my 50-60lb dogs, I use 0.04cc.....which is about 2.5 times what is in HeartGard.

[ezzy333]

Kumate,

I started at the 1to 20 ratio and went to the 1in 10 during the summer to keep the ticks at bay and I have pretty much comprimized and am probably closer to the 1 to 15 ratio most of the time but I do try to make sure i get it up to the 1 to 10 ratio in the summer.
I did have some fleas last summer for the first time in years but we had a dog come in loaded with them and I am sure thats where they came from. But that was the first time I have had to treat for them and I haven't had to worm them in years.

Ezzy