Any of you feed raw?

[walkos5]

...The Oklohoma Department of Wildlife & Conservation states the fact that coyotes prefer fresh meat from a kill but are opportunistic predators. Here in PA where I live we have a good population of whitetail deer and every interstate shows it. I have never seen a coyote feeding on a road kill deer, not saying they don't do it just never saw it and I travel the interstates 3 nights per week.

Traveling the superslabs in Pa, Oh and WVa since the late 60s thru all hours, I also have never seen a coyote feeding on a roadkill...nor would I expect to.
Too much other food out and about and...they are sly critters.
'Course, Pa. has recently and wisely reduced their deer numbers...even so, I saw 8-9 made good on the roadside today.
Plus, lived on this place for over 30 years and never saw a bobcat till one of the deerhunters got one this week on a trail cam....your conclusion re coyote sightings on roadkill is a bad one.
I know your birdy on this W but I would rein in the silly stuff just a bit.

Found a birddog photo yet?

I was asked, How do I know coyotes prefer fresh kills. I provided the information from those with experience. I also apply what I believe to be evident. I see coyotes along the NE PA pike, sometimes even laying down in the grass at night. Never see any feeding on or scurrying away from a deer carcass. You and I can agree there is plenty of fresh food in the forest. Common sense tells me it would be a whole lot easier to get dinner from a deer that cant run away. But they don't at least not when fresh food is available, so the only conclusion is they like their own fresh kills best which is what the experience tells us to begin with. Nothing silly about that to me. Having said that, he sounds like he is from the mid west or so west and the environment and coyote population is different so I don't doubt his story, just saying what I believe from my experience.

[ezzy333]

The fresh kills are generally voles and such, Coyotes are not aggressive killers of anything much bigger.

Ezzy

[walkos5]

Your right, I'm never going to butcher up another deer or any game for that matter. I never realized so many pathogens and parasites existed. It's a wonder my family is still alive with all of the meat I process and use every year. Good thing I read this post.

I am glad to hear that you and your family have had no ill effects from eating raw meat all these years. That is what we are talking about isn't it?

Charlie

According to your expert in your 1 article just handling meat to make meals for ones dog puts us in danger of these pathogens and parasites. I wonder if those dangers are there when I prepare steak or pork chops for the grill. And what about when I buy ground beef and make hamburgers, I must be in double danger then. Maybe you guys should also think about the dangers when cleaning your wild game too.

[walkos5]

The fresh kills are generally voles and such, Coyotes are not aggressive killers of anything much bigger.

Ezzy

I agree, with the exception of fawns in the spring.

[SCT]

They kill young or weak deer in the winter too. They can catch them in the deep snow and one effective way they kill them is bite their muzzle around the nose and mouth and smother them. Sad but true.

And yes, there is no doubt all meat you prepare can have these pathogens. The good thing about feeding meat is how fast the dogs eat it. Doesn't get much of a chance to go bad if given clean and fresh. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that meat and some of the softer bones (chicken necks) are good for the dogs, but just not as a whole diet. Not sure about eggs and some of the other ingredients. Green tripe sounds like a safe bet also.

But, taking everything into consideration, IMHO, high quality kibble is safer and will give peace of mind, at least for me.

[slistoe]

Around here the Dept. of Highways doesn't remove the road kill deer, nor the moose. They push them off to the side, give it 3 days and the coyotes have them gone - and I mean GONE.

[walkos5]

They kill young or weak deer in the winter too. They can catch them in the deep snow and one effective way they kill them is bite their muzzle around the nose and mouth and smother them. Sad but true.

And yes, there is no doubt all meat you prepare can have these pathogens. The good thing about feeding meat is how fast the dogs eat it. Doesn't get much of a chance to go bad if given clean and fresh. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that meat and some of the softer bones (chicken necks) are good for the dogs, but just not as a whole diet. Not sure about eggs and some of the other ingredients. Green tripe sounds like a safe bet also.

But, taking everything into consideration, IMHO, high quality kibble is safer and will give peace of mind, at least for me.

My pup is going on 3 he is a Britt and has been on a mostly raw diet since he was 10 weeks old. I do feed dog biscuits and kibble in small amounts now and then to save from buying meats. He always has loads of energy and maintains a body weight of 49 to 50 lbs. I would like to get some green tripe for him but I'm having trouble finding it where I live. The small meat stores just don't sell it, at least not the green.

[walkos5]

Around here the Dept. of Highways doesn't remove the road kill deer, nor the moose. They push them off to the side, give it 3 days and the coyotes have them gone - and I mean GONE.

I don't doubt you but I just don't get it why hardly nothing eats our road kill deer, even in mid winter I watch the same road kill lay untouched for weeks sometimes and the only thing that will pick at them are crows. And in the summer the same thing only they decay a lot faster and really stink.

[birddogger]

Your right, I'm never going to butcher up another deer or any game for that matter. I never realized so many pathogens and parasites existed. It's a wonder my family is still alive with all of the meat I process and use every year. Good thing I read this post.

I am glad to hear that you and your family have had no ill effects from eating raw meat all these years. That is what we are talking about isn't it?

Charlie

According to your expert in your 1 article just handling meat to make meals for ones dog puts us in danger of these pathogens and parasites. I wonder if those dangers are there when I prepare steak or pork chops for the grill. And what about when I buy ground beef and make hamburgers, I must be in double danger then. Maybe you guys should also think about the dangers when cleaning your wild game too.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no expert or know any experts on this issue and I have no "1 article". :roll:

Charlie

[birddogger]

I have a feeling this thread will be locked before long anyway because it has become redundant and could go on forever with nothing new to say or to be learned.

Charlie

[Mountaineer]

...I was asked, How do I know coyotes prefer fresh kills. I provided the information from those with experience. I also apply what I believe to be evident. I see coyotes along the NE PA pike, sometimes even laying down in the grass at night. Never see any feeding on or scurrying away from a deer carcass. You and I can agree there is plenty of fresh food in the forest. Common sense tells me it would be a whole lot easier to get dinner from a deer that cant run away. But they don't at least not when fresh food is available, so the only conclusion is they like their own fresh kills best which is what the experience tells us to begin with. Nothing silly about that to me. Having said that, he sounds like he is from the mid west or so west and the environment and coyote population is different so I don't doubt his story, just saying what I believe from my experience.

You may be selling the coyotes a bit short...they, like us, might appreciate the chase and the chase being a prime way young coyotes in the pack are taught survival....that might be ingrained a bit rather than waiting for the sound of screeching tires.
Essentially, they appear to me as opportunists and realists re an empty stomach with genetics leading the way....with "ease" perhaps not the best teacher for centuries of survival.
Ease would be more akin to the cherry on a sundae after a bad day.

Coyotes do perform fine work on the deer herd with some deer that are less than tip-top and for that, I thank them...small factor but every factor helps.
But, around here, groundhogs, rabbits, mice, etc. are more likely targets than deer...again tho, at certain times and low times of the year, nature and bumpers yield them a partial meal.
I do wish we could convince coyotes to kill the nest predators around here that the deerhunters feed with their self-focused deer feeders....that would be a win-win.

Kibble or raw.....much ado about precious little but personal preference and the agendas delivered by the zealotry of youth.

[Npayne1]

Learned so much here. 1-I should stop processing my hunting kills because I may bring deadly parasites into my house. 2- deer get hit by cars. 3- those same road kill deer may or may not be eaten by coyotes. 4- coyotes, buzzards, and other animals eat animals. 5- the only safe diet for my family is to become a vegan and eat grass all day.

This thread is rather entertaining with the off the wall random comments. Properly prepared wild game is safe to eat and be around. I've been hunting and processing my own food for as long as I can remember. Coyotes are opportunistic hunters. Yes, I'm sure they prefer fresh kills, but as some ppl have already stated, an empty stomach and an easy snack beats the chase any day. I know down here in tx, we will throw the carcasses of our processed kills in the pasture and return after dark and typically find coyotes and hogs feeding on them. Makes for good bait.

Now for what I feed my dog, high quality kibble. Like any healthy diet, it needs to be well rounded. Why should I spend countless hrs preparing my dogs food when there are companies out there that do it for a living and the results on my dog are desirable? I've always fed my pups kibble and have always had pups that lived long healthy lives. So for me, I'm going to continue doing what I've always done and that includes "poisoning" myself, family, and pets with bringing home wild meat from my hunts, and feeding my pup kibble.

[ezzy333]

Now for what I feed my dog, high quality kibble. Like any healthy diet, it needs to be well rounded. Why should I spend countless hrs preparing my dogs food when there are companies out there that do it for a living and the results on my dog are desirable? I've always fed my pups kibble and have always had pups that lived long healthy lives. So for me, I'm going to continue doing what I've always done and that includes "poisoning" myself, family, and pets with bringing home wild meat from my hunts, and feeding my pup kibble.

This about says it all for a huge majority of people would be my guess. I do not see a shift to any other kind of feeding. We do have the few as we always have that want to be different and this is a way they can do that, And to convince them selves it is better is their way of justifying it. If they ever, and I should say when they lose their enthusiasm and see that everyone else's dog is doing the same thing as theirs we also see them drift back into the same mode as all of the others.

Raw feeding has been around since the beginning of time and will continue to be by the very few probably forever. Dogs like it and since they do not care what is best for them they will continue to eat what is put before them and will continue to perform the tasks we want them to. We will never be able to look at a dog and know what it is being fed.

Ezzy

[MonsterDad]

Now for what I feed my dog, high quality kibble. Like any healthy diet, it needs to be well rounded. Why should I spend countless hrs preparing my dogs food when there are companies out there that do it for a living and the results on my dog are desirable? I've always fed my pups kibble and have always had pups that lived long healthy lives. So for me, I'm going to continue doing what I've always done and that includes "poisoning" myself, family, and pets with bringing home wild meat from my hunts, and feeding my pup kibble.

This about says it all for a huge majority of people would be my guess. I do not see a shift to any other kind of feeding. We do have the few as we always have that want to be different and this is a way they can do that, And to convince them selves it is better is their way of justifying it. If they ever, and I should say when they lose their enthusiasm and see that everyone else's dog is doing the same thing as theirs we also see them drift back into the same mode as all of the others.

Raw feeding has been around since the beginning of time and will continue to be by the very few probably forever. Dogs like it and since they do not care what is best for them they will continue to eat what is put before them and will continue to perform the tasks we want them to. We will never be able to look at a dog and know what it is being fed.

Ezzy

Unless you look in its mouth.....

[walkos5]

Now for what I feed my dog, high quality kibble. Like any healthy diet, it needs to be well rounded. Why should I spend countless hrs preparing my dogs food when there are companies out there that do it for a living and the results on my dog are desirable? I've always fed my pups kibble and have always had pups that lived long healthy lives. So for me, I'm going to continue doing what I've always done and that includes "poisoning" myself, family, and pets with bringing home wild meat from my hunts, and feeding my pup kibble.

This about says it all for a huge majority of people would be my guess. I do not see a shift to any other kind of feeding. We do have the few as we always have that want to be different and this is a way they can do that, And to convince them selves it is better is their way of justifying it. If they ever, and I should say when they lose their enthusiasm and see that everyone else's dog is doing the same thing as theirs we also see them drift back into the same mode as all of the others.

Raw feeding has been around since the beginning of time and will continue to be by the very few probably forever. Dogs like it and since they do not care what is best for them they will continue to eat what is put before them and will continue to perform the tasks we want them to. We will never be able to look at a dog and know what it is being fed.

Ezzy

Unless you look in its mouth.....

And at its owners vet bills.

[birddog1968]

What vet bills? please elaborate mr one dog owner.....

I've had dogs, multiple dogs for the last 35 years and see a vet very very infrequently, just for rabies shots every 3 years mostly......


BTW- Your Britt is 9 or 10 lbs over the breed standards high end......I've never seen a 50 lb britt. Please post a photo, any photo.....

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Walkos this is pretty much why we ALL think your full of BS,you know nothing about any ones vet bills but your own.My foundation female lived to be 2 mos over 15 yrs old I bought her when she was 7 wks old.She went to the vet one time in her life when she got an infection between her shoulder blades from a foreign object.I have dogs now that have never been to the vet a 13 1/2 yr old male now that still looks,acts,& hunts like a 7 or 8 yr old dog. I could go on down the line but you are so full of BS your not worth the time!Talk about your own so called dog or keep your mouth shut!!

[slistoe]

And at its owners vet bills.

I think we had this conversation once already. If I feed raw, will my vet start paying me? That's the only way I can think of to make a significant reduction to my vet bill. (unless you want to count rabies vaccine, hip xrays and suture jobs - has your dog had any of those?)

[walkos5]

Walkos this is pretty much why we ALL think your full of BS,you know nothing about any ones vet bills but your own.My foundation female lived to be 2 mos over 15 yrs old I bought her when she was 7 wks old.She went to the vet one time in her life when she got an infection between her shoulder blades from a foreign object.I have dogs now that have never been to the vet a 13 1/2 yr old male now that still looks,acts,& hunts like a 7 or 8 yr old dog. I could go on down the line but you are so full of BS your not worth the time!Talk about your own so called dog or keep your mouth shut!!

I never said dogs couldn't live long on kibble. I did say that I don't think they live the same quality of life or as long as a dog that is fed a natural diet. And no one on this forum has been able to prove otherwise. And if that's BS to you, then so be it.

[slistoe]

Unless you look in its mouth.....

I think you are insinuating that a diet of commercial kibble will lead to periodontal disease and other tooth issues. How many dogs have you owned that did not need dental work at the vet in their lifetime? Lets add them up. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 here. One had plaque buildup and gum problems at 17 years of age when we switched her off of dry kibble to canned food - before that her mouth was perfectly fine. Vets advice was to get her off of the wet food. It worked to keep away a recurrence. So, kibble zero for 25. Where is the raw at?

[slistoe]

Walkos this is pretty much why we ALL think your full of BS,you know nothing about any ones vet bills but your own.My foundation female lived to be 2 mos over 15 yrs old I bought her when she was 7 wks old.She went to the vet one time in her life when she got an infection between her shoulder blades from a foreign object.I have dogs now that have never been to the vet a 13 1/2 yr old male now that still looks,acts,& hunts like a 7 or 8 yr old dog. I could go on down the line but you are so full of BS your not worth the time!Talk about your own so called dog or keep your mouth shut!!

I never said dogs couldn't live long on kibble. I did say that I don't think they live the same quality of life or as long as a dog that is fed a natural diet. And no one on this forum has been able to prove otherwise. And if that's BS to you, then so be it.

Generally the status quo does not require proof. Substantive deviations from the status quo declared as defacto knowledge is what requires proof. The burden is on you - how is that saying? Put up or .... BS.

[walkos5]

What vet bills? please elaborate mr one dog owner.....

I've had dogs, multiple dogs for the last 35 years and see a vet very very infrequently, just for rabies shots every 3 years mostly......


BTW- Your Britt is 9 or 10 lbs over the breed standards high end......I've never seen a 50 lb britt. Please post a photo, any photo.....

It must be all the muscle on him that puts him above breed standards.

[walkos5]

Walkos this is pretty much why we ALL think your full of BS,you know nothing about any ones vet bills but your own.My foundation female lived to be 2 mos over 15 yrs old I bought her when she was 7 wks old.She went to the vet one time in her life when she got an infection between her shoulder blades from a foreign object.I have dogs now that have never been to the vet a 13 1/2 yr old male now that still looks,acts,& hunts like a 7 or 8 yr old dog. I could go on down the line but you are so full of BS your not worth the time!Talk about your own so called dog or keep your mouth shut!!

I never said dogs couldn't live long on kibble. I did say that I don't think they live the same quality of life or as long as a dog that is fed a natural diet. And no one on this forum has been able to prove otherwise. And if that's BS to you, then so be it.

Generally the status quo does not require proof. Substantive deviations from the status quo declared as defacto knowledge is what requires proof. The burden is on you - how is that saying? Put up or .... BS.

That's some pretty fancy vocab. Are you a lawyer or an English teacher?

[ezzy333]

Well, guess that does it. Hard to have a thread what means much when people can't think of anymore to say.

Ezzy