CZ side x side

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:50 pm

Anyone hear of this gun. The gun dealers I have talked to, which has been 2, say it is a very nice gun. The price is nice but I am wondering if there is someone who can tell me more about this gun..

Janet

Post by **pear** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:53 pm

I think that 12volt is the local CZ expert....where you at 12Volt

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:11 pm

Sorry, it missed this one.
Are you looking at an O/U or SxS. What guage? One trigger or two? And....... do you want ejectors or extractors?

The answers to those questions can help me land you on the right gun.

They are affordable, nice guns. I bought the Woodcock in 20 guage to bang around the fields with and to use for training dogs, NSTRA trials etc....

The guns are made in Turkey by Huglu which have been around for a few years. You may have heard of Dehaan shotguns. They are virtually the same guns. Both made by Huglu. Dehaan shotguns cost a little more and you get a two year warranty. CZ offers a 5 year warranty.

Edited to add....
Dangit, I just read your post again. You are looking at the Side by Sides.

One more cool thing about these guns is that the frames of the guns are made for the caliber. This makes it nice especially if you are looking for a smaller guaged gun.

The bobwhite has a straight english stock and two triggers.

The ringneck has more of an american style pistol gripped stock and a single selectable trigger. There have been lots of good reports about the ringneck.

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:20 pm

Oh and one more thing....... They have been hard to get ahold of. I had to order mine from a shop in Kentucky. If you find one that matches what you are looking for then you may want to snatch it up.
If you can't find one locally, then I can help you locate one.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:22 pm

I am interested in the Ringneck, 20ga 28"barrels, 1 trigger. My big question is are they as fast as my 20ga ou Berreta? My Berreta is right on. When I throw that gun up it is right there. I have always wanted a sxs and found a Berreta 20ga,471 Silver Hawk, but the price is wow! I talked to my gun smith and he is the one that suggested the CZ. For the price of the CZ I could hang on to my Berreta. 12 volt man, I really hate to part with the Berreta but always wanted a a sidexside. I want to get my hands on one just to see how it feels. I shot a sxs way back in time and loved it. I felt I was looking down railroad tracks. Never forgot that experiance. Tomorrow I am going to the gun shop. He has a 12 ga sxs Cz and that should give me an idea how I like it. What are your thoughts on the ou versus sxs?

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:19 pm

12v showed me his O/U and I LIKE IT! I think that with a big price tag they would sale just as well. Nice wood and nice metal on the guns and they swing well for me.
12v knows the working much better than I but I have seen or shot a bunch of the Huglu guns over the years and I can say my next gun will likely be a CZ Huglu. Even if it is a .223 12v has one of them and the trigger is one of the nicest one I have felt!

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:09 pm

Ok, went to the gun smith today and held a 12ga. Ringneck sxs CZ. The stock was very long for me so it was hard to get a good feel when I threw the gun up. The one draw back was the weight of this 12ga. My specks on the ringneck say the guns weight is 5.2 lbs. No way was this gun that light. I wonder if it could be a misprint? The specks are from the CZ USA web site.

12 volt, Tak, or anyone for that matter, if you are out there and have a weight on the Ringneck maybe you could shed some light on this.

Other then the weight it was a very nice gun for the money.

Post by **pear** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:45 pm

Janet, Please don't take my word for it, but 5.2 lbs. sounds very light. I sure wouldn't let stock length worry me, as that can be very easily changed. However I do see it as tough to see how you like the feel before you buy, beacuse that is an after the sale modification. Quality for the money sounds hard to beat. Let us know what you decide....."pear"

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:55 pm

The gun I held today was no 5.2 lbs. More like 7. Tomorrow I am going to call the factory and try to get the correct weight of the 20ga. The specks they give on the web site can't be right. The Berreta 471 Silver Hawk weighs in at 5.9 lbs. Compared to the Berreta price tag of $2600.00 to the CZ price of $720.00 I doubt that the CZ would be a lighter gun. I really don't need another gun its just that I have always been interested in a sxs and when I checked the specks and saw 5.2 lbs, that really stured my interest.. It was very hard to get a good feel of the gun with the stock so long. I always have to have them fitted. I will post tomorrow what I find out and my decission, but first I must go hunting.

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:38 pm

A ringneck .410 with a 26 inch barrels weighs 5.3 pounds.

The ringneck 20 guage with 28 inch barrels weighs 6.3 pounds.

That 12 guage you were holding weighs in at 7.3 if it was 28 inch barrels.

snips · Post by **snips** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:04 am

That sounds like the weight of my Benelli 20 G. I doubt it, if a 12 weighed that it would knock you down. Rick has a 20 G Russian made sxs and he said it was a little heavy. Rick said you might ck DHshotguns.com website. He said they have beautiful well made guns for good prices. He said Nolan Huffman has a 28 G he got from them that is really well made.

omega58 · Post by **omega58** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:42 am

I held the 20 g ringneck the other day up at Jay's in Clare, MI. Great shouldering gun for me. I might be purchasing one in the near future? I am also going to see if my uncle will pass me down my grandpa's old sxs. . .he doesn't have kids and I am hoping he would keep it in the family. . .I would like to eventually hand it off to my son.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:05 pm

Omega, the 20ga CZ you held, was it with 26", or 28" barrels? How would you judge the wood and was the side plate, on the lighter or darker side? Sorry for all the questions but when you can't see, it makes the decision harder. Maybe you could be my eyes?

As you can see, I am still undesided.

Tomorrow I am going to use a friends L.C. Smith to see how I like the sxs.

Snips, thanks for lead. I will check out that web site

Bird Dog 67 · Post by **Bird Dog 67** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:26 pm

Birddog, listen to Omega............................the man obviously has VERY good taste in gun dogs it only stands to reason that he has excellent taste in guns as well. Not that I'm biased or anything..................................

omega58 · Post by **omega58** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:11 pm

birddog wrote:Omega, the 20ga CZ you held, was it with 26", or 28" barrels? How would you judge the wood and was the side plate, on the lighter or darker side? Sorry for all the questions but when you can't see, it makes the decision harder. Maybe you could be my eyes?

As you can see, I am still undesided.

Tomorrow I am going to use a friends L.C. Smith to see how I like the sxs.

Snips, thanks for lead. I will check out that web site

I held the 28" barrel gun, I would like to hold the 26" as well just to see what I think. It would be a grouse/woodcock gun for me, so 26 might be nice, but my 12 g Verona o/u is 28" and I don't have a problem with that. I thought the wood on it was pretty good and I liked the reciever look to it.

Right now I have it narrowed to three guns:

20 g cz ringneck
20 g Verona 503 (to match my 12)
20 g Browning gold auto

I am leaning towards the Verona right now, but the cz really has me thinking.

EWSIV · Post by **EWSIV** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:03 pm

Tomorrow I am going to use a friends L.C. Smith to see how I like the sxs.

Bird dog,

Expect a big difference between your friends Elsie and the CZ. The difference between the two is similar to the difference between horse tacos and superbly prepared ribeye.

I have done a lot of research on the CZ and the DeHaan. I have even pointed a few CZ's in the gunshop. I think they are good guns. There is nothing comparable in the price range. The closest SxS's in price are the stoeger and Baikal. The CZ is way north of those two in quality, fit, and finish. You can tell just by picking them up.

Will Schwarzlose

Post by **ezzy333** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:41 pm

Im curious when I hear someone say you can tell a big difference in sxs or o/u when you pick them up. If the guns are new and the stocks are fitted right what else is going to be so different other than the price. I have a cheap o/u that I cant tell from any other gun if they are fitted with a similiar stock. And I've used a Stoger and it is a nice gun. I know I will get slapped around for this but I just can't justify the money for the expensive guns. SMost of the cheaper ones miss just as well as the expensive ones.

I'll bet a dollar to a donut that put a blindfold on someone and they wont be able to tell you which gun is which if they have the same features..

Ezzy

omega58 · Post by **omega58** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:54 am

ezzy333 wrote:Im curious when I hear someone say you can tell a big difference in sxs or o/u when you pick them up. If the guns are new and the stocks are fitted right what else is going to be so different other than the price. I have a cheap o/u that I cant tell from any other gun if they are fitted with a similiar stock. And I've used a Stoger and it is a nice gun. I know I will get slapped around for this but I just can't justify the money for the expensive guns. SMost of the cheaper ones miss just as well as the expensive ones.

I'll bet a dollar to a donut that put a blindfold on someone and they wont be able to tell you which gun is which if they have the same features..

Ezzy

You can tell a big difference in how the gun pulls up and how well it fits you. Some guns are a lot more clunky feeling that others. I gun can look great and have a ton of features, but if it doesn't fit you, it's useless.

Bird Dog 67 · Post by **Bird Dog 67** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:06 am

................there is also the tolerance of the machining of the break action and how it closes and fits together etc.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:00 am

My decision has been made, I bought the Beretta 471 Silver Hawk.

My reasons:

Weight: First and most important to me. The 471 weighs the same as my Beretta o/u. ( which I loved), 5.9, the Cz, 6.3. I could notice the added weight difference.

Barells: The CZ has a rib barell, the 471 does not. I found the rib to be a distraction when sighting down the barell.

Resale value: Speaks for itself.

Cost: The Beretta 471 is costly compared to the CZ , but when you add up the qualities of the two, I decided to spend the added dollars and have exactly what I have always wanted. ( my o/u has been sold )

I can't wait to go out and shoot at some birds.

Janet

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:07 am

Rick had one, he said it was a great gun, but had trouble hitting because there was not enough drop in the stock. He ended up selling it.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:38 am

Was his an english stock or a pistol grip?

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:47 pm

English

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:00 am

Thats what I thought. I got the pistol stock and found the stock to be almost the same as my o/u. The 471 shoulders the same as the o/u. atleast for me.

kygrousehunter · Post by **kygrousehunter** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Handled the CZ bobwhite in 28 guage the other day. Loved it. If I already didn't have two 28's I would have gotten it. BTW, they also had a 12, didn't like it at all. It seemed clumsy. Considering getting the Bobwhite in 410 though.