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political correctness
Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
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in my opinion i don't think anyone would even care. the same group of people who dislike hunting would dislike this. the people who like hunting would enjoy this. and the people without a horse in the race wouldn't care.
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Most would agree diplomat !?..But then Fox hunting was banned over here by people who don't hunt foxes?..and Tail docking was banned by people who don't have dog's ?
Fishing may well be banned by people who don't fish?..............
Fishing may well be banned by people who don't fish?..............
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You are pointing out one of the main problems with a democracy and that is the people who have no idea of a situation get to vote on the subject anyway.
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I was pointing out that many of the traditions and skills of hunting in any form may be lost and or banned by the people who don't do it.
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I assume a lot of the rabbiting skills left with the Mixi arrival....naturally, other changes over the decades have no doubt added their own weight.
Were rabbits to again dominate to the same level then society may make exceptions....as I would guess some fickle folks have altered their thoughts and found exceptions with the increase of "natural" or "healthy" foods and their collection.
Here, many have lost country skills of all manner simply because need has disappeared...or market.
The Public though is always cocked to decide how to best bail out the other guy's boat, I agree.
However, "political correctness" can be applied to either or any side of an issue.....some NRAers adopt a very politically correct view of not rocking their own boat and very often sound off with the same memorized tune, much as a chorus of crows.
Sometimes they are profoundly right and at other times, they sadly look to the choir director for leadership.
What is nice is when the choir has the guts to be non-PC for the tunes heard in their own loft....regardless of which side of an issue is at hand.
Were rabbits to again dominate to the same level then society may make exceptions....as I would guess some fickle folks have altered their thoughts and found exceptions with the increase of "natural" or "healthy" foods and their collection.
Here, many have lost country skills of all manner simply because need has disappeared...or market.
The Public though is always cocked to decide how to best bail out the other guy's boat, I agree.
However, "political correctness" can be applied to either or any side of an issue.....some NRAers adopt a very politically correct view of not rocking their own boat and very often sound off with the same memorized tune, much as a chorus of crows.
Sometimes they are profoundly right and at other times, they sadly look to the choir director for leadership.
What is nice is when the choir has the guts to be non-PC for the tunes heard in their own loft....regardless of which side of an issue is at hand.
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polmaise- you make good points about fox hunting and tail docking. also like to throw in hunting with dogs for certain game. hmmmmmm. do you think its more of an "old school" tradition that is fading away with generations rather than a political thing? hunting in general is losing outdoorsmen by the generation.
you made me reconsider my comment. you are right in what you are saying but, id lean towards newer generations of kids not being involved in the outdoors compared to generations passed.
ezzy- ill take people voting the wrong way over some other countries version of "democracy". for example north korea having a 100% voter turnout and !00% in favor of kim jon un. lol
you made me reconsider my comment. you are right in what you are saying but, id lean towards newer generations of kids not being involved in the outdoors compared to generations passed.
ezzy- ill take people voting the wrong way over some other countries version of "democracy". for example north korea having a 100% voter turnout and !00% in favor of kim jon un. lol
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Also good points Diplomat.
The clip was screened on tv in the 1970's which showed that Jack Hargreaves the presenter was 'Old school' then but recognised what was happening and subsequently proved right ,not just regarding ferreting but hunting in general.
Coursing is no longer allowed and e-collar is banned in certain areas of the country.
Surprisingly shooting as a sport/hobby/pastime overall has increased steadily year on year as has the number of people entering gundog competition so perhaps it's the nature of how the hunting activities are performed .
I would probably be described as 'Old school' in this century and most likely follow suit much like the Dinosaurs
The clip was screened on tv in the 1970's which showed that Jack Hargreaves the presenter was 'Old school' then but recognised what was happening and subsequently proved right ,not just regarding ferreting but hunting in general.
Coursing is no longer allowed and e-collar is banned in certain areas of the country.
Surprisingly shooting as a sport/hobby/pastime overall has increased steadily year on year as has the number of people entering gundog competition so perhaps it's the nature of how the hunting activities are performed .
I would probably be described as 'Old school' in this century and most likely follow suit much like the Dinosaurs
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I will have to agree with you that the world has gone mad!!polmaise wrote:Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
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I tend to agree. As evidenced by the number of hunting programs on this side of the Pond.diplomat019 wrote:in my opinion i don't think anyone would even care. the same group of people who dislike hunting would dislike this. the people who like hunting would enjoy this. and the people without a horse in the race wouldn't care.
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If anyone can take things like this to the extreme, it's the Brits. As a English Canadian & probably as much of an Anglophile as the next Canuck (always loved Corrie St & still get my tea from M&S) I can tell you no one gets takes Health & Safety over the top like the UK. All this is said with great affection, BTW -- just an observation.polmaise wrote:Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
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Hey sub mariner do you use and shoot pigeons to train your dog??SubMariner wrote:polmaise wrote:Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
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And, is pig hunting with dogs for sport to Nasty in your civilised society?Soarer31 wrote:Hey sub mariner do you use and shoot pigeons to train your dog??SubMariner wrote:polmaise wrote:Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
But hunting birds with dogs for sport is civilised in your opinion??
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[/quote]SubMariner wrote: One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
Curiously enough, the similar argumentation was part of the discussion process by civil consultation regarding the laws and use of traps/snares and trapping regulations that have also been imposed in recent years?........These civilised people argued that it was ok to snare a rabbit but not have it wriggle until it died :roll:
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Hope they don't get the proposal through parliament to ban the use of a hook to catch a fish?.....In this civilized society ? More than one way to catch one I suppose
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Wow. Can't agree with you on that. Hound sports are as much or more a part of our heritage that bird dogs are.SubMariner wrote: the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
By the way polmaise, great post and video. I really enjoyed it.
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While we do train with live birds, we very rarely shoot a bird for either of the dogs. And if we do shoot one, we tend to re-use it.Soarer31 wrote:Hey sub mariner do you use and shoot pigeons to train your dog??SubMariner wrote:polmaise wrote:Pretty soon these skills will be lost forever.
As a young lad I used to watch this programme on tv every week. If it were shown in this country today there would be almost a civil revolution .The world has gone mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnFBnC ... e=youtu.be
That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
Meanwhile, during a field trial, how many birds to you estimate are shot, even in a retrieving stake? I think the low number would surprise many people.
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That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,
Are you EATING the pigs you kill? When we bird hunt we either eat what we kill or give them to someone in the party who's pantry could use some stocking.And, is pig hunting with dogs for sport to Nasty in your civilised society?
But hunting birds with dogs for sport is civilised in your opinion??
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I am a firm believer in eating what you kill but then there also is a responsibility to control the vermin and trapping along with hunting are legitimate ways of doing that. And to parallel eating what you kill you also can use the pelts which is just as legit as any other use. If you don't like hunting with hounds then you could join the rest of us that surround a square mile and all walk towards the center so we can rid the area of foxes and coyotes. Same result but less fun.
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So that legitimises your excuse for your form of blood sport ??SubMariner wrote:That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,Are you EATING the pigs you kill? When we bird hunt we either eat what we kill or give them to someone in the party who's pantry could use some stocking.And, is pig hunting with dogs for sport to Nasty in your civilised society?
But hunting birds with dogs for sport is civilised in your opinion??
" someone in the party could use some stocking"??
LOL ... Give us a break!!
I hunt for the sport , and use dogs whether it be birds , foxes , pigs , deer, rabbits , hares, as for EATING ? I see that as a bonus
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You guy's are lucky !
We now have licence control for a Daisy /BB Gun ! In this civilised Society
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-27420858
We now have licence control for a Daisy /BB Gun ! In this civilised Society
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-27420858
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Just because you eat the critter you hunt, does not make the critter enjoy being the victim. I'm sure it looks quite nasty to non hunters................................Cj
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Are silencers and silenced weapons still allowed in GB?polmaise wrote:You guy's are lucky !
We now have licence control for a Daisy /BB Gun ! In this civilised Society
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-27420858
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Silencers /moderators are allowed with licence. Hand guns /crossbows are a Big NO NO! catapult's are also under scrutiny !Mountaineer wrote: Are silencers and silenced weapons still allowed in GB?
You are allowed to drive a car over someone and kill them however! This would be deemed reckless driving in the very worse situation which carries a maximum sentence of 5 years open category prison sentence with 50% reduction in sentence automatically and if shown good behaviour you can have a further opportunity to gain Parole in the 2nd year of sentence . Now that has to be politically correct in a civilised society that bans the e-collar on a dog that chases sheep surely?..
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Darn interesting stuff Polmaise.
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I follow yours across the pond too! ..We may be ponds apart,but the basic structure is/was the same?..Poles apart are those that are civilised without culture. In my very humble opinion.gonehuntin' wrote:Darn interesting stuff Polmaise.
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It's a Gun dog forum! but hey..It's all our lives and it touches all our lives no matter where you are in the world,does it not?
Here is an example of Political correctness .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-out.html
I call it ''Feck you Jack,I'm all right'' !
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I ain't a politician and I wouldn't know how to join or be an activist !..I just hunt and shoot with my dogs. Is that a crime ?............
Those that don't will make it . That's my point
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And that is a point well made. We're concerned with it here as well. The movement grows stronger each year.polmaise wrote: ................
I ain't a politician and I wouldn't know how to join or be an activist !..I just hunt and shoot with my dogs. Is that a crime ?............
Those that don't will make it . That's my point
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Knife legislation is making its way over here, too, which even for hikers who may like to carry a locking Swiss army knife can leave them potentially in violation of the law in CA if a police officer were to decide to give them a hard time. I understand in Britain that it's unclear whether having a filet knife in your car while heading fishing is against the law?polmaise wrote:You guy's are lucky !
We now have licence control for a Daisy /BB Gun ! In this civilised Society
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-27420858
I think people tend to think that all of this is going to not affect them, until it does.
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Once again, "save me from the good people"!!!
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There was an episode of Leave to Beaver where Beaver gets roped into going to this girl's BD party, against his wishes. He's the only boy there and feeling way out of place. The girl's father rescues Beaver and shows him into his gun room where he lets Beaver handle the guns and Beaver finagles an invite back to come check out the guns again. Can you imagine the uproar something like that would bring in today's PC mad world!
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So, if I read you correctly it's ok to just go out and kill stuff as long as you label it a sport?Soarer31 wrote:So that legitimises your excuse for your form of blood sport ??SubMariner wrote:That being said, there is a huge difference between rabbiting & fox hunting. One can still be a way to stock the larder; the other is a nasty "sport" that I don't think has a place in any civilized society.
JMHO,Are you EATING the pigs you kill? When we bird hunt we either eat what we kill or give them to someone in the party who's pantry could use some stocking.And, is pig hunting with dogs for sport to Nasty in your civilised society?
But hunting birds with dogs for sport is civilised in your opinion??
" someone in the party could use some stocking"??
LOL ... Give us a break!!
I hunt for the sport , and use dogs whether it be birds , foxes , pigs , deer, rabbits , hares, as for EATING ? I see that as a bonus
I lived on a boat in the Bahamas for 2 years. Not a lot in the way of "grocery stores" when the nearest landfall is 100 nautical miles away. So we did a lot of spear & line fishing as well as gathering conch, lobsters, etc. Even with paying customers on board, it never crossed our minds that it would be "sporting" to spear a big goliath grouper, just for the heck of it.
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Unless you are a vegetarian, I really don't see your point, except to be argumentative.cjhills wrote:Just because you eat the critter you hunt, does not make the critter enjoy being the victim. I'm sure it looks quite nasty to non hunters................................Cj
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Actually in a retriever field trial, they might shoot 200 or more per weekend. Possibly a lot more. No one eats those birds.SubMariner wrote: Meanwhile, during a field trial, how many birds to you estimate are shot, even in a retrieving stake? I think the low number would surprise many people.
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I have no experience with retriever field trials; I was only speaking to pointing breed FTs. And the fact that no one eats the birds in the trials you mentioned seems incredibly wasteful.gonehuntin' wrote:Actually in a retriever field trial, they might shoot 200 or more per weekend. Possibly a lot more. No one eats those birds.SubMariner wrote: Meanwhile, during a field trial, how many birds to you estimate are shot, even in a retrieving stake? I think the low number would surprise many people.
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Hi Nutmeg247,Nutmeg247 wrote: I understand in Britain that it's unclear whether having a filet knife in your car while heading fishing is against the law?
The law relates to the 'Intent' ,so if one was going fishing and had a fishing rod for example along with bait etc and part of that equipment was a knife then that would be deemed with intent to use the knife for the purpose of fishing.The same would apply when returning from a fishing trip. If however that same knife was in possession prior to going fishing or the day or after the fishing trip,then the 'Intent' is/may/could be perceived as not associated with fishing! ?...Political correctness at it's best
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I have NEVER seen anyone eat a bird that was killed at a Trial, Retriever or Pointer.SubMariner wrote:I have no experience with retriever field trials; I was only speaking to pointing breed FTs. And the fact that no one eats the birds in the trials you mentioned seems incredibly wasteful.gonehuntin' wrote:Actually in a retriever field trial, they might shoot 200 or more per weekend. Possibly a lot more. No one eats those birds.SubMariner wrote: Meanwhile, during a field trial, how many birds to you estimate are shot, even in a retrieving stake? I think the low number would surprise many people.
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I have eaten birds killed at NSTRA trials & seen them divided up between the people that wanted them but never at any other kind of trials.
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Not only do we eat birds from our trials (BHU) - at our joint BHU - Pheasants Forever event we fed them to a bunch of youth at our event that were trying bird hunting for the first time. We had over 100 quail and it took a heck of a long time to clean them! The kids (inner city mostly) had a blast, got to experience quite a few things in addition to harvesting a few birds.
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That is awesome, I look forward to helping your clubs. Out of hundreds of AKC, NAVHDA and NASTRA Trials I just haven't seen that. Kudos.RoostersMom wrote:Not only do we eat birds from our trials (BHU) - at our joint BHU - Pheasants Forever event we fed them to a bunch of youth at our event that were trying bird hunting for the first time. We had over 100 quail and it took a heck of a long time to clean them! The kids (inner city mostly) had a blast, got to experience quite a few things in addition to harvesting a few birds.
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Kudos!!!RoostersMom wrote:Not only do we eat birds from our trials (BHU) - at our joint BHU - Pheasants Forever event we fed them to a bunch of youth at our event that were trying bird hunting for the first time. We had over 100 quail and it took a heck of a long time to clean them! The kids (inner city mostly) had a blast, got to experience quite a few things in addition to harvesting a few birds.
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