Who is the best GSP ever??????

Razor · Post by **Razor** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:24 pm

Who do you guys and gals think has been the best GSP ever????? Explain your reasoning. DO NOT JUST THROW OUT A NAME PLEASE. I am just curious to read your answers. Thanks

snips · Post by **snips** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:29 pm

Wow, what a question. I could not begin to answer that. Guess it depends alot on what you like in a GSP, which everyone likes something different. Just watch different people pick out of a litter

Don · Post by **Don** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:16 pm

That is easy. Hannah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She was beautiful, she made me happy and she taught me a lot more about me that I ever taught her about anything.

Let me know if you get a tuff question!

stonegripper · Post by **stonegripper** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:49 am

Ok. I'll bite.

My answer is Rockin Rollin Billy

I watched him run in 97 at Booneville where he went RU Champion. Total friggin bird dog on the great grounds of NGSPA field trials. Newcombe put him where he wanted him and he had like four finds on course 3...tough as heck. It was wet, muddy and nasty.

He won 7 or 8 one hour NGSPA championships, was an AKC Field Champ and was bred very little...some say less than 10 times. His get and grand get are winning today and there are people out there trying to continue his blood (although most of them never even seen him). I believe that had he been in the midwest, he would be more popular than Clown or Sick either one.

He produced Rockin Rollin Jane, Sllick Willy, Sport, Stonegripper's Chili Pepper, Buckville's Rollin Chas, KB's Rockin Rollin Rebel and many more in limited breedings.

George Newcombe told me at Booneville in 98 that Billy was over 7 miles away from where they turned him loose, when they found him run over on the Hwy. He was buried in TX.

I think he was one of the greatest because he could have done so much more and his time was cut short. However, he has advanced the breed in so little time...

You asked...I answered.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:26 am

It's too hard to pick one. If we are talking recient dogs I would say Rawhide's Clown or Dixieland's Rusty should be to the top of the list. I think the breedings that come from dogs is the most important cause only one person can have a particular great dog. So for me the best ever for me would be the best breeding and there is alot of ped.'s on very nice dogs that have rusty or clown close up. There are lots more very influential dogs from the past though.

Post by **ezzy333** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:23 am

I am not familiar with all of the GSP;s so I wont venture an opinion. However, I don't think there ever has been a best. That is such a relevant term. Are you talking best conformation, best AA, best GD, best hunting dog, best house dog, best family pet, or best producer of pups? Once there becomes a best the breed will die as there won't be the incentive to improve any further. The GSP's today are so much nicer than the dogs were 40 or 50 years ago. But better, I don't know. They are better in practically every aspect it seems to me but especially in style and attractiveness. And I know I have a hang up with how a dog looks. I just find it almost impossible to get up and take care of an ugly dog or any other animal. That I guess explains why all of our dairy cows, hogs, and sheep were purebred and shown every summer. Same with the dogs. Its just as cheap to feed a good looking one as an ugly one.

Field work is also in the eye of the beholder. A dog that runs and covers lots of ground is a beautiful sight to a trialer while most foot hunters greatest concern is the dogs range too far. Is range a factor in the best dog? Yes, but on opposite ends of the spectrum for each. There would be a lot of arguement about it by those who think their personal desires are best..

I think if you want to get an answer you need to revise the question to "What dog fulfills what you like to see in a dog?" You already have gotten some answers that tell you like Don's. To the rest of us Hannah is not on the radar but she sure is to Don. And that is as it should be. You have to decide what characteristics "your" ideal dog would display and then find the dog that comes closest to fulfilling your dream. But would it be the best? Don't think so as my dreams are different than anyone else's.

Ezzy

Razor · Post by **Razor** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:28 am

Expected from a Brittany guy.

Your range ideal does not hold water. A great dog will adjust their range to the conditions that are present. There are guys on here that have the best all age dogs in the country and they still hunt off foot. I want their opinions who is the best GSP in their eyes. I will tell you ezzy, Perry's Rustic Prince was the best Brittany. From a fellow Britt guy.

bird · Post by **bird** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:36 am

Don · Post by **Don** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:05 am

Perhaps the question should be, "which GSP had the most impact on the modern American GSP. In which case I haven't a clue but three come to mind. Tell, Moesguaards Dandy and Dixielands Rusty.

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:08 pm

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:14 pm

Lvrgsp, you can't say Checkmates Dandy Dude this dog was half pointer.

I am just joking leave it alone.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:21 pm

ohiogsp wrote:Lvrgsp, you can't say Checkmates Dandy Dude this dog was half pointer. I am just joking leave it alone.

HAHAHA! Yep, let sleeping dogs lie.

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:23 pm

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:12 pm

Roxy Roller and Big Oak Bumper produced the most of "any" of the girls. Lots of great stud dogs, Rusty was probably bred the most. Billy dogs are still producing.

The record for NFC Heidi Ho Pinehurst is kinda unbelievable. Went into Hall of Fame and will be inducted in October.

Slick was and still has his grandget producing.

The "oldtimers' talk of FC Windy Hills Prince James and the like such as "Dude".

I would hate to have to define one, Amatulli's bitch Selina is the winningest dog for the hour ever.

She was never bred but my memory of NFC Flashdance Ginny is outstanding. Steger always says "NFC Leipenschen Buddendorf" he would put down with any.

JMO

Pepper :roll:

Chaingang · Post by **Chaingang** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:55 pm

You could also make a case for the Dual Champions we've had over the years. I know there has been some good ones. Very difficult title to attain. Best of both worlds, confirmation/field ability.

As Ezzy eluded to, everyone has their own idea of what greatness would be. Trialers will obviously state their case for a particular FC or NFC etc... and that's fine. The bench crowd may look at it quite differently though, and that's fine also. And then there's Joe average hunter, and of course his dog is numero uno. So in reality, no right or wrong answer to this one.

Prairie Hunter · Post by **Prairie Hunter** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:45 pm

What about Axel v Wesserschling? He had a huge impact on the breed right after WWII. A lot of the genetics in GSPs in this country today can be traced back to him.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:51 pm

That sure was a LONG time ago. What, 15 generations?

snips · Post by **snips** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:19 pm

Depends on whose pedigree Greg. He is only 4 back on Rip. I think Blick Von Shinback had a huge influence in the breed. I know alot of our stuff goes back to him, not to mention Essers Chick, which is Wasschersling.

Prairie Hunter · Post by **Prairie Hunter** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:28 pm

Axel is only 6 generations back in my dog’s pedigrees, and Esser’s Chick (an Axel son) is 5 back. From what I have been told, my dog picked up a lot of the Wasserschling genetics, and looks just like one. So, Axel’s influence is still evident today.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:03 am

snips wrote:Depends on whose pedigree Greg. He is only 4 back on Rip. I think Blick Von Shinback had a huge influence in the breed. I know alot of our stuff goes back to him, not to mention Essers Chick, which is Wasschersling.

No doubt. At Gunner's 4th generation back, I think 12 of the 16 branches go back to Chick.

But, the topic is "greatest ever". A dog that was a long time ago is very hard to compare to a dog that is more recent. It's like comparing Babe Ruth and A-Rod.

Was there anyone around that actually saw Axel v Wasschersling work and is still out there seeing more current dogs work?

The whole "greatest" thing is just too hard to do unless someone can objectively define "greatest".

Best, Greg J.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:35 am

It sure doesn't seem very impressive with all of the breeding programs if the best dog in a breed was years ago. I think that says our dogs are getting worse.

Ezzy

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:41 am

Those of you who take the GSP Chronicle can make your opinion on this really count. The NGSPA has announced its new Hall of Fame for GSP's. This is the first year of voting. Ballots and instructions are in the Chronicle.

TrueBlu Shorthairs · Post by **TrueBlu Shorthairs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:07 am

I am far too new to breeding and trialing to give an answer based on personal observations. From my limited personal observations of athletic ability, birddog, and production, I've gotta vote for NFC Heide's Mighty City Slicker. One of the winningest hour dog of all time and a great producer in limited breedings, compared to some.

I certainly see dogs like Blitz, Chayne, Quill, Vim, Blick, Chick, IB, Jig's White Smoke, Dude, Rachel, Roxy, Old Greif, Sabby, and even Billy in so many pedigrees of winning dogs today, and all have had tremendous impact, but if one considers Slick's production of hour winners, national champions, grandget and beyond, he's hard to beat. One must also consider his daddy Sanjo in the list.

Don · Post by **Don** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:18 am

ezzy333 wrote:It sure doesn't seem very impressive with all of the breeding programs if the best dog in a breed was years ago. I think that says our dogs are getting worse.

Ezzy

Been all down hill for how long now? Maybe that's what the question should have been. So who was better, Ali or Larry Holmes?

We only have the recorded deeds of the individual dogs to go on. I think a good case could be made for Tell or Rusty, either one. But what would you base it on? Breeding record? Shoot, if one get's used more than the other even tho the lesser used one may have been a better dog by some standard, what's it prove? Nada! How about trial wins. How does a dog become a many time champion? It get's well trained and trialed a whole lot! What if Rusty, Dude and Clown had never been trialed? Would they have been any lesser dog's? I don't think so. Which brings up, I wonder how many times the truely greatest dog ever was really a couch patato?

Actually I hope that the great dogs of the past have been bettered many times over or else as Ezzy say's, we're getting worse! We have many great lines, some perfered by one and other's prefered by another. How about Wagonmasters "Shot". Was he the best dog last year for the whole year? Maybe. But for sure he was found the best on the day that mattered. The greatest dog ever on refelection, it's still my Hannah, she made me a better person!

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:01 am

The dogs are getting better. I bet if we could see some dogs from 100 years ago we would not think much of them. They were graded to a lower standard than we are today.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:04 am

Greg Jennings wrote: No doubt. At Gunner's 4th generation back, I think 12 of the 16 branches go back to Chick.

The whole "greatest" thing is just too hard to do unless someone can objectively define "greatest".

Best, Greg J.

Chick might get my vote, based on the amount of influence on so many lines. Hustler, Duke Wildburg, Kay Wildburg, Erik Enzstrand and many others were all great dogs in my mind and all have had a great impact and influence on what we have today, but there have been just so many really great dogs in history, how does one pick? May as well look back to Artus.....
I do feel that the Dual dogs would be the ones I would have to look too, were I to pick just one, but that is just Titles and Titles can be bought or politic'ed for.

How much influence has Chick had and how much campaigning was done with Chick?

To quote you Greg:
"The whole "greatest" thing is just too hard to do unless someone can objectively define "greatest"."

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:14 am

I don't think the fact that "old" dogs are the first to come to mind means that the breed is going down hill. Not at all. There are some exceptional dogs out there right now. Mark Wasserman's two, Jax and Cutter, Rodger Barton's Hud, the Siren dog that John Steger runs, GK's Nuke It, Flash, Sonny, Speck, my own dog Spot. Many others.

They are just "young." Young in terms of evaluating how they will produce. In ten years people are going to be arguing on this board, which of them was the greatest ever.

The old dogs deserve all the praise we can give them. They were the foundation on which the present breed was built. But it ain't over yet, not by a long shot.

TrueBlu Shorthairs · Post by **TrueBlu Shorthairs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:18 am

Don, I have bred to dogs that produced, to dogs that are consistent multiple winners, and to no name dogs with great pedigrees. So much of it has to do with knowing what you are breeding and what mixes well. However, the great dog that was just a couch potato needed to opportunity to be proven. I do agree that the greatest winner ain't much if he didn't produce or if he was bred to a hundred times and only produced 10 Field Champions. Slick was a dog that was bred to on a limited basis but has produced many many champions, versus Clown who was overbred and hasn't produced in relative terms.

The jury is not out on Slick, Clown, Sabby, Chayne, etc. but it is out on Spot, Hud, Jax, Mrt, Cutter, Jax, Magnum, etc. to an extent. Several more than others.

Problem I see is in the random breeding to champions with not nearly enough consideration for lines.

honeyrun · Post by **honeyrun** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:36 am

I owned a grandson of Hustler on the dam's side. He was also a grandson of Erick on the sire's side, along with being a greatgrandson of Gretchenhof Columbia River. We lost him 1.5 years ago at the age of 15.5 years of age. He was a moderate dog by today's standards standing right at 25 inches at the shoulders. We have frozen on him and he seemed to cross very well back on my Wildburg females prodcing moderate ranging hunters that took very little training to get them broke.

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:11 pm

I THINK MINE IS THE BEST SON/STARRS BABE.

SONNY

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Of course, you think yours is the best it is a shamless dog. You should have got one straight from shame then you would really have your hands full.

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Rick Hopkins FRITZ is the only dog to win Master Hunter 3x NSTRA Champ,and D/C I may have left a title out. But the best news about this dog is HE AINT DONE YET.

SONNY

Don · Post by **Don** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:22 pm

IS NOT!!!

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:38 pm

WELL, Dont play games. WHO??????

SONNY PS From the data that I can gather and based on the facts All these championships combined togather is a WORLD RECORD. Which makes FRITZ the most VERSATILE GSP in the world. Can you beat that?

SONNY

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:39 pm

HELLO-----ANYBODY HOME

Going to bed, talk tomorrow----SONNY

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:20 pm

I believe Trekker is the most titled. DC AFC Trekkekr v Grunbaum MH MX AXJ UDX TDX VCD3. He might not have competed in the NSTRA but his accomplishments very high. Oh, I think you can also add Hall of Fame to his titles. Sonny you did leave some of fritz's titles out I think a few of them. Fritz is obviously a extremly nice dog also.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:03 pm

I'm not really a GSP's breeder or owner so I wont get involved in the best one. But being a Brittany breeder and owner over many years the first requirement would be a Dual Champion and then what he or she produced.

Ezzy

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:54 am

Ohio,

You are correct on Trekker, at least over here anyway. I couldn't say if that were the case for World wide. He was added to the HOF this year at the National Banquet. He is another Hustler son, as was another dog mentioned earlier, Stradivarius Baroque.

bondoron · Post by **bondoron** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:34 am

ohiogsp wrote:The dogs are getting better. I bet if we could see some dogs from 100 years ago we would not think much of them. They were graded to a lower standard than we are today.

There are some great dogs today no doubt. However as a whole I would have to say the dogs a 100 yrs ago were better. This is as a whole I am saying. 100 yrs ago all dogs had to be tested before breeding. There were no puppy mills or strictly show or pet lines. Do not take this wrong the best dogs today probably are better than the best 100 yrs ago (never saw the dogs 100 yrs ago though). However the lower end dogs of today are for sure a lot worse than the lower end dogs 100 yrs ago.

Don · Post by **Don** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:40 am

Depending on the yardstick you use, I doubt the dogs of 100yrs ago could stay on the same field with todays dogs. Conditions have changed and competation is more intense.

bondoron · Post by **bondoron** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:58 am

What standard are we using to judge who is the best GSP ever? Is it the original use for what the dog was created, or is it for a dog in NAVHDA, NSTRA, FT, or hunting dog etc... That is what makes the question so hard. There have been a lot of good and great dogs mentioned, I however would not put a Clown or Rusty etc.. at the head of the pack. I am not trying to start an argument I am just stating my opinion. I would have to put a versatile dog in the front. Which one, I don't know too many good ones to pick just one.

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:09 am

I agree with you Don. I can go back 50 years and can't think of a GSP that I ever saw that I would own. Not saying they weren't good dogs but sure were not bred with the style or confirmation of todays dogs. I can't think of any breed that has improved anymore than the GSP's of today. I do think you can see the influence of the American breeder in all of our sporting dogs and basically it is good.

However, it is still in the eyes of the beholder and nothing more. The people who are enamored with the European bred dogs will think we have lessened the dogs. It seems to me that if you are happy with an efficient type dog with no regard as to style or speed then European is your cup of tea. But if you want a dog that is stylish, independent, an exciting type dog you like the American bred dogs. Either is ok, as the dogs are bred to fulfil the needs people have in each country. I see the exact same things happening with all of the breeds. GWP, GSP, Brit, Viszla, Weims, right on down the list. Even the Labs, though the current rage is to have the short legged blocky English type dog, The American dog of a few years ago was much better equiped to hunt upland than the dogs today and you see that type remain with the pointing Labs because of it.

And the comment about the show people lessening the quality of the dogs today. I too used to be concerned about that but after getting involved with the trial game I realize they have done no more harm than the trial people. Any time you have people breeding for a very narrow performance area without regard to the overall breed you will see the overall characteristics change. When that happens we are lessening the breed characteristics rather than improve them. We may improve conformation at the expense of performance in the field as well as the otherway around and either is not what our goal must be if we are to keep our breeds what they have been created and bred for. And it isn't necessary as it has been demonstrated in every breed that both are compatible if and when we breed with the total package in mind.

The way I see it,

Ezzy

bondoron · Post by **bondoron** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:25 am

ezzy333 wrote:
However, it is still in the eyes of the beholder and nothing more. The people who are enamored with the European bred dogs will think we have lessened the dogs. It seems to me that if you are happy with an efficient type dog with no regard as to style or speed then European is your cup of tea. But if you want a dog that is stylish, independent, an exciting type dog you like the American bred dogs.

Ezzy

I agree it is in the eye of the beholder. Yes there are some who would say the Americans have lessened the breed. There are Americans who also think that sticking with the European ways lessen the breed. Yes the European dogs are not breed for style (12 o'clock tail) they are however no less staunch on point. They are very independent, watch a dog on a duck search once. They aren't any slower than the American type dogs, they aren't bred to range out 300+ yards if that is what you mean. I don't know how you think it isn't exciting to watch a European bred dog. I don't want to start an argument or get this thread off topic, but I felt the European dogs were very misrepresented in that reply. IMO

bird · Post by **bird** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:45 am

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:04 pm

If european type dogs is what we wanted here in the US, it is what we would have.

bondoron · Post by **bondoron** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:08 pm

bird wrote:I look at it like this.

If I wanted a dog that would track blood, then I would get a bloodhound.
If I wanted a dog to track coon, then I would get a coonhound.
If I wanted a dog to chase and corner boar, then I would get a pitbull or something similiar.
If I wanted a dog to track and chase coyotes or fox, then I would get a foxhound or greyhound.
If I wanted a dog to track and chase rabbits, then I would get a beagle.
If I wanted a dog to hunt waterfowl, then I would look at possibly a Lab.
If I wanted a dog to hunt 300, 500 yards or more out in front of me, then I would get a English Pointer.
I choose to hunt pheasant, quail and sometime huns. I want a dog not to be distracted by twitty birds, rabbits, coons, skunks, yotes or deer. I want a dog that is going to sweep a field in search of "upland" birds with the intelligence to stay close enough where I can "enjoy" watching him/her do so with little direction from me. Coming to a rock solid point on a dime knowing that with your approach that a bird is going to come busting up out of the cover in flight. And then when the day is done and we return home. He/She is content to sit by my side and lay on the couch with me watching a football game or a race on TV. I want an American Bred German Shorthair. Nothing more - Nothing less.

bird

A DK can be broke off fur if it is wanted. It is apparent that the DK will always have myths associated to it. :roll:

bird · Post by **bird** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:49 pm

bondoron · Post by **bondoron** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:38 pm

I assume you meant DK because this is about GSP and we were talking about European bred GSP's which would be DK's the majority of the time. You don't have to hunt fur just because you have a DK. The American bred GSP's can also hunt fur if you want to teach it. I don't hunt coon or hog or deer or most other fur. However I will hunt upland (of course), waterfowl, rabbits, squirrel, etc... However if the dog gave me a shot at a coon, fox, etc.. I would take it. I have no problem with a person that just wants to hunt upland only. Never said that I did. I was just saying what I would consider to be the best GSP. I was also trying to point out some of the myths that are brought up all the time about DK's.

parshal · Post by **parshal** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:03 pm

bird wrote:Do you guys with your Versatile hunting dogs really go out and specifically hunt rabbits, coons or anything with fur with your dogs ? Not picking a fight or an arguement... just curious is all.

Yes. I don't personally shoot fur for my dogs but the guys I hunt with will shoot both rabbits and birds for their dogs when we hunt. They've even taken them coon hunting a time or two. They are American bred GSPs and GWPs. The dogs have no problem at all adapting to either fur or feather.

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:28 pm

I've been staying out of this thread because the original question lacked any sort of detail. Best GSP as defined by what? Best producer, best performer, most influential, etc.

Having said that, there are a few things to mention...........

Ohio GSP wrote:

I believe Trekker is the most titled. DC AFC Trekker v Grunbaum MH MX AXJ UDX TDX VCD3.

Most AKC titles. "Most titled" depends on how you define it, and do we really care about tracking/obedience/agility? As a field dog was he more proven than VC FC/AFC Dr N's CJ MH UT1 or 6x NSTRA CH VC Cadens Rowdy Rudy MH UT1, a couple of local dogs I know a thing or two about?

What about some of our trial dogs that win 10-15 hour championships. Are not those individual titles (i.e. 2007 Region 17 Open Shooting Dog Champion, 2006 Prairie Chicken Amateur Shooting Dog Champion, etc)?

Prairie Hunter wrote:

Axel is only 6 generations back in my dog’s pedigrees, and Esser’s Chick (an Axel son) is 5 back. From what I have been told, my dog picked up a lot of the Wasserschling genetics, and looks just like one. So, Axel’s influence is still evident today.

Were you told this by someone who actually saw Axel, or trained his offspring? Or was this by someone who is just repeating things they've been told?

Ezzy wrote:

I'm not really a GSP's breeder or owner so I wont get involved in the best one. But being a Brittany breeder and owner over many years the first requirement would be a Dual Champion.....

AHSGP wrote:

I do feel that the Dual dogs would be the ones I would have to look too, were I to pick just one, but that is just Titles and Titles can be bought or politic'ed for.

Dual dogs are supposed to have superior conformation than the average dog. Superior conformation is supposed to lead to superior physical performance in the field. Have you both found this to be correct, because I sure have not? I know about the theory behind conformation trials; I want to know if reality supports the theory.

Bondoron wrote:

100 yrs ago all dogs had to be tested before breeding.

First of all, do yourself some research on life in North Central Europe circa 1907. How many tests do you think there were, in the era where the only mechanical form of land transportation was the train? How tough do you really think the tests were? Talk to anyone involved with birddogs in the 1950s who is still alive today and find out how much more complex and intense the performance standards are today than 50 years ago. Can you even imagine the differences across a century?

Heck, not every dog in your own DK's 5 generation pedigree was tested before breeding. Talk about repeating myths!

FWIW,
Dave