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Re: pointing form

Post by birddog1968 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:40 pm

its funny the fellas with dogs without tails always telling us we are looking at the wrong end of the dog :lol:


No disrespect meant just found it comical.....

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Re: pointing form

Post by John S » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:42 am

A lot of food for thought here and the one main thing I have taken out of all this is that my dog is waiting too long to go on point once he gets a scent. what I mean is he follows the scent trail until he is very close to the bird. Unfortunately there are no wild birds to work him in in my area so pen birds are my only option. That is why I have been backing him up a bit.
I really need to work on this with him. Advice on how?

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Re: pointing form

Post by Donnytpburge » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:46 am

John

Are you planting those birds or releasing them?

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Re: pointing form

Post by Neil » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:13 am

John S wrote:A lot of food for thought here and the one main thing I have taken out of all this is that my dog is waiting too long to go on point once he gets a scent. what I mean is he follows the scent trail until he is very close to the bird. Unfortunately there are no wild birds to work him in in my area so pen birds are my only option. That is why I have been backing him up a bit.
I really need to work on this with him. Advice on how?
Launchers.

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Re: pointing form

Post by John S » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:08 am

Donnytpburge wrote:John

Are you planting those birds or releasing them?
Planting, due to laws in NYs I have a very limited supply of birds. It's gotten so bad that I have actually been using the same three birds for the past 10 days, rotating them every other day.
Not sure if it is a good thing to do or not, but seems like my only option if I want to keep working him on birds. Our main focus right now has been to get him to hold till flush.

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Re: pointing form

Post by John S » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:10 am

Neil wrote:
John S wrote:A lot of food for thought here and the one main thing I have taken out of all this is that my dog is waiting too long to go on point once he gets a scent. what I mean is he follows the scent trail until he is very close to the bird. Unfortunately there are no wild birds to work him in in my area so pen birds are my only option. That is why I have been backing him up a bit.
I really need to work on this with him. Advice on how?
Launchers.
Been searching for launchers hoping to get a deal on remotes, looks like I may need to break down and order a couple of manuals since I have some spare money to use right now.

Proper use?

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Re: pointing form

Post by AZ Brittany Guy » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:29 am

Proper use. Buy the book Training with Mo and learn.

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Re: pointing form

Post by displaced_texan » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:33 am

ezzy333 wrote:
displaced_texan wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:I have never seen so many worry about the wrong end of a dog that does nothing to make one dog better than another.

Ezzy
If a dog is more pleasing to look at to someone, is that not better?
Prettier, not better.
Dogs and women, I don't know about you, but all other things equal, I prefer prettier.

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Re: pointing form

Post by SetterNut » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:45 am

AZ Brittany Guy wrote:Proper use. Buy the book Training with Mo and learn.
This is good advice.

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Re: pointing form

Post by Donnytpburge » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:53 am

John

It sounds like the dog is trailing you and not the bird.

Is he getting real close before he points?
Is he catching birds?

If you do not have wild birds then make it as wild as possible by
Releasing the training bird ( just let them fly, don't let the dog see it)
Mark the released bird and put the dog on the ground and see how he does.

DB

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Re: pointing form

Post by John S » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:33 pm

Donnytpburge wrote:John

It sounds like the dog is trailing you and not the bird.

Is he getting real close before he points?
Is he catching birds?

If you do not have wild birds then make it as wild as possible by
Releasing the training bird ( just let them fly, don't let the dog see it)
Mark the released bird and put the dog on the ground and see how he does.

DB
Ordered the book and two launchers, should be in by the end of the week.

In answer to your question, yes, he is usually very close, I would say within 5' or less. He goes on a solid point as long as the bird sits still, if the birds runs or flies he'll go after it and he has caught a few. That is why i am working with him on hold till flush now but it is slow going.

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Re: pointing form

Post by Donnytpburge » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:45 pm

I figured he was catching them, and that causes
Some bad problems man.

Hope you get it worked our with the launchers.

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Re: pointing form

Post by Grange » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:07 am

ezzy333 wrote:I have never seen so many worry about the wrong end of a dog that does nothing to make one dog better than another.

Ezzy
Most will only worry about the "wrong end of the dog" when they are happy with the "right end of the dog".

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Re: pointing form

Post by Hattrick » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:37 am

I agree with Displaced Texan and Grange 100%

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