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Inspired by Stoneface

Post by mcbosco » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:39 pm

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He and I have been chatting about standards and differences outside the US. Take a look at this European Spinone. He goes 100lbs fit and check the back-end and the flat Italia-Style coat. On point his tail is 9 or lower.
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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:26 pm

I see some nasty burned coat, but what else am I supposed to see?
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Post by mcbosco » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:31 pm

Cajun Casey wrote:I see some nasty burned coat, but what else am I supposed to see?
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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:42 pm

Duhh...he's Euro.
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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by SpinoneIllinois » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Is the color a little different, as well?
And Casey, what do you mean by "burned coat?"

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Post by mcbosco » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:39 pm

I think she is looking at some wet areas thinking the dog was clipped poorly but that dog has been hand-stripped, perhaps more than most would do.

Oh Brian, please don't ever clip your dog. Some areas you can trim with scissors. Learn how to hand-strip or find a groomer that will do it.

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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:46 pm

Burned refers to the rustiness of the liver hair. Compare the ear to the head. Usually a result of harsh environment, high chlorine in wash water or mineral deficiency in the diet.
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Post by cjhills » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:43 pm

Or that he hasn't shed out all the way CJ

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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by Stoneface » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:45 pm

I think that's a good lookin' dog. It's interesting to look at the different sectors of the birddog world and see what kind of dogs they turn out. American trial dogs, I think, are the biggest anomaly out there. Put a typical high-octane American trial dog up against any other birddong in the world and it's obvious which came from America. I do wish we were a little more even across the board with our breeding and not so isolated to hit on just a few traits.

What's the story on that Euro dog?
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Post by mcbosco » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:06 pm

Stoneface wrote:I think that's a good lookin' dog. It's interesting to look at the different sectors of the birddog world and see what kind of dogs they turn out. American trial dogs, I think, are the biggest anomaly out there. Put a typical high-octane American trial dog up against any other birddong in the world and it's obvious which came from America. I do wish we were a little more even across the board with our breeding and not so isolated to hit on just a few traits.

What's the story on that Euro dog?
Friend of mine in England she has two GWP's as well. Spends a lot of time training the three of them. His is a much lighter shade of brown than normal.

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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:12 pm

You get that album on FB, Sal? That gal's dogs are wooly mammoths.
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Post by ezzy333 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:26 pm

Cajun Casey wrote:Burned refers to the rustiness of the liver hair. Compare the ear to the head. Usually a result of harsh environment, high chlorine in wash water or mineral deficiency in the diet.
Or the number one reason in 95% of the cases is sunlight and time of year.

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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:06 pm

ezzy333 wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Burned refers to the rustiness of the liver hair. Compare the ear to the head. Usually a result of harsh environment, high chlorine in wash water or mineral deficiency in the diet.
Or the number one reason in 95% of the cases is sunlight and time of year.

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You mean like could be included under the umbrella of "harsh environment?" :roll:
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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by Sharon » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:13 pm

That's a beautiful dog Mc Bosco.
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Post by ezzy333 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:18 pm

Cajun Casey wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Burned refers to the rustiness of the liver hair. Compare the ear to the head. Usually a result of harsh environment, high chlorine in wash water or mineral deficiency in the diet.
Or the number one reason in 95% of the cases is sunlight and time of year.

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You mean like could be included under the umbrella of "harsh environment?" :roll:
I suppose it could if you think s nice sunny day is harsh environment or that old age for the hair is also environmental. But for most of us I imagine neither would be considered harsh but rather might be considered natural and normal.

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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by Trekmoor » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:18 am

Not sure and not very helpful I know but in England dogs are not allowed to compete in most dog shows if they have a docked tail........ and yet docking is still legal in England and in Wales for dogs that definetly work ........... crazy legislature ! So maybe that is why this dog has an undocked tail ? Maybe it gets shown ? Or maybe it was born in Scotland ?........ In Scotland the opposite applies ! :roll: Here docking is totally banned but you can show docked dogs ! ........ Even crazier legislature !

In common with most other Scots who are serious about working and maybe trialing our dogs I now buy in docked pups from England, Wales or Ireland for work in Scotland.

Personally , I can see no good reason for any bird dog to weigh in at 100 lbs.
There must be some somewhere but I have yet to see a good working spinone in Scotland. The ones I see are all dead slow and stop hunters and are poor or non -existent retrievers.

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Re: Inspired by Stoneface

Post by ultracarry » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:23 am

Dock the tails at home with slightly different lengths... "i don't know what your talking about... They were born that way".

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Post by Trekmoor » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:36 am

We have tried all sorts of ways to get around this no-docking law. With perhaps one of the pups you could get away with " It got it's tail caught by the bitch's foot as she jumped into the whelping box." Or , and a favourite one, "the bitch nipped it off at birth at just the right length ! :lol: " The fines are serious for the people that get found out for illegally docking.
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