Pedigree Help!

[Ahumphers91a]

Anyone know of this females pedigree from the 70's: Heils Fritzie Rip v Bess

Thanks

[JuliaH]

Her registration number is SA338607 and an online research pedigree is available for her. Not expensive, and with a dog this old I would probably accept a partial pedigree. AKC doesn't even have a color or whelp date available for this one. She could be an import? Sometimes an internet search will turn up a dog on registration number but not this time... Her registered name is Heils Fritzie Rip von Bess

Wish I could be more help

Julia

[Ahumphers91a]

Thanks, yeah I was hopng too not have to pay for it...lol. I have tried world pedigrees and paw village and even a couple others I know are correct, but turns of nothing. Now if I were to assume, I bet her sire is fc rip traf von bess, but can't be positive in that assumption.

[JuliaH]

Could be, but there is only one way to know.. and I am not sure how complete her pedigree might be anyhow. I wish the AKC system was as easy to use as the Arabian horse system. For $100 +/- (forgot exact) you could look up any horse in the system and all information was there. With dogs, unless the breeder or owner is still online there is no help.

Julia

[Ahumphers91a]

Nothing....anyone? I know some people on here have pedigree databases like mysel
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[Chief_dog]

I used to have a huge database, but that was a couple computers ago. Now days, I only look at the first few generations anyway.

[Ahumphers91a]

I used to have a huge database, but that was a couple computers ago. Now days, I only look at the first few generations anyway.

Its for a little project I was doing for numbers, when left blank it kinda is a waste of time. But your right, also I like to look at the foundation as well though. I have backed up my database on two hard drives lol

[JuliaH]

Interesting... I expect this one is an import... there are several "von Bess" surnames out there but none as old as this one (1970). Going to check with someone if I can but I expect he will also believe this one to be an import.


Report Date: 09/04/2011
THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB

Complete pedigree information for SA338607 11-70 is unavailable on our online database.
Information about dogs whelped before 1980 and any ancestors that are not AKC registered may not be available on our online database. However, information about all AKC registered dogs, including a minimum 3 generation pedigree, is maintained in our permanent archives.

[Ahumphers91a]

Interesting... I expect this one is an import... there are several "von Bess" surnames out there but none as old as this one (1970). Going to check with someone if I can but I expect he will also believe this one to be an import.


Report Date: 09/04/2011
THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB

Complete pedigree information for SA338607 11-70 is unavailable on our online database.
Information about dogs whelped before 1980 and any ancestors that are not AKC registered may not be available on our online database. However, information about all AKC registered dogs, including a minimum 3 generation pedigree, is maintained in our permanent archives.

If I could even find out her parents, I bet I have her ancestors in my database and wouldn't know it until I found the link. But akc does offer the three gen for her or an incomplete pedigree?

[ultracarry]

Interesting how you want pedigree information and yet you believe it doesn't matter when trying to produce a quality dog....

Hmmm....

[ezzy333]

Interesting how you want pedigree information and yet you believe it doesn't matter when trying to produce a quality dog....

Hmmm....

Interesting maybe but true. There are so many quality dogs to choose from that it is good to know what your's is.

Ezzy

[JuliaH]

I don't think AKC offers her pedigree on the Research Pedigree option. When I put her Reg. # in (I got curious and have a large database myself) so I could purchase the online pedigree, the Report came back as I posted it. I am not sure how to even get to the AKC Archives. I had checked the partial pedigree option too, and only got the report you saw.

I must have missed where someone said pedigree is not important...because it does matter, although in my opinion it is the first 3 generations that matter most.

Julia

Interesting... I expect this one is an import... there are several "von Bess" surnames out there but none as old as this one (1970). Going to check with someone if I can but I expect he will also believe this one to be an import.


Report Date: 09/04/2011
THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB

Complete pedigree information for SA338607 11-70 is unavailable on our online database.
Information about dogs whelped before 1980 and any ancestors that are not AKC registered may not be available on our online database. However, information about all AKC registered dogs, including a minimum 3 generation pedigree, is maintained in our permanent archives.

If I could even find out her parents, I bet I have her ancestors in my database and wouldn't know it until I found the link. But akc does offer the three gen for her or an incomplete pedigree?

[Ahumphers91a]

I don't think AKC offers her pedigree on the Research Pedigree option. When I put her Reg. # in (I got curious and have a large database myself) so I could purchase the online pedigree, the Report came back as I posted it. I am not sure how to even get to the AKC Archives. I had checked the partial pedigree option too, and only got the report you saw.

I must have missed where someone said pedigree is not important...because it does matter, although in my opinion it is the first 3 generations that matter most.

Julia

Interesting... I expect this one is an import... there are several "von Bess" surnames out there but none as old as this one (1970). Going to check with someone if I can but I expect he will also believe this one to be an import.

Lol, I like to think the whole thing is, but the first 5 matter to me the most. I may call the akc on Tuesday about their info on this female.
Report Date: 09/04/2011
THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB

Complete pedigree information for SA338607 11-70 is unavailable on our online database.
Information about dogs whelped before 1980 and any ancestors that are not AKC registered may not be available on our online database. However, information about all AKC registered dogs, including a minimum 3 generation pedigree, is maintained in our permanent archives.

If I could even find out her parents, I bet I have her ancestors in my database and wouldn't know it until I found the link. But akc does offer the three gen for her or an incomplete pedigree?

[bigoak]

Was she a producer of field champions?....vern

[Ahumphers91a]

Interesting how you want pedigree information and yet you believe it doesn't matter when trying to produce a quality dog....

Hmmm....

Its doesn't matter too me, I believe a quality dog can come from nothing! I want the info because unlike some people, I study my history....its a hobby. Hmmmmmm.....

[Ahumphers91a]

Was she a producer of field champions?....vern

I will look, now I can't remember off hand. I will re post in just a bit, but I believe she produced one fc that I know of.

[Ahumphers91a]

Yes, she and Thalberg's Seagraves Chayne produced FC Tomari's Playne Jayne.
here's the incomplete pedigree i'm trying to finish: http://nextgenerationgermanshorthairs.n ... erations=5

[bigoak]

Playne Jayne finished her FC in 1975.I checked the 1975 year book but her owner didn't publish her pedigree.....vern

[Ahumphers91a]

Playne Jayne finished her FC in 1975.I checked the 1975 year book but her owner didn't publish her pedigree.....vern

Dang, thanks for looking though, I really appreciate that.

[Ken Lynch]

PM sent. I have full pedigree.

[Ahumphers91a]

PM sent. I have full pedigree.

Thanks, I knew she had to be a Rip Traf Von Bess daughter.

[bigoak]

I found her pedigree; she is out of FC Rip Traf von Bess and von thalbergs Quail....vern

[Ahumphers91a]

Where did you find it Oak?? I know Ken Lynch had it and sent it to me but it was from his database.

[brad27]

Interesting how you want pedigree information and yet you believe it doesn't matter when trying to produce a quality dog....

Hmmm....

Its doesn't matter too me, I believe a quality dog can come from nothing! I want the info because unlike some people, I study my history....its a hobby. Hmmmmmm.....

Your Hmmmmmm... Doesn't make any sense. Also, if you believed that why were you looking for a rusty bred stud?

[ultracarry]

Lol nor does the fact that he commented on a rawhides clown breeding under the dogs for sale... hmmm doesn't make sense how you can look at his posts and not see he flip flops like a fish out of water.

[Ahumphers91a]

Interesting how you want pedigree information and yet you believe it doesn't matter when trying to produce a quality dog....

Hmmm....

Its doesn't matter too me, I believe a quality dog can come from nothing! I want the info because unlike some people, I study my history....its a hobby. Hmmmmmm.....

Your Hmmmmmm... Doesn't make any sense. Also, if you believed that why were you looking for a rusty bred stud?

Because I'm not stupid.....he isn't the number one fc sire for nothing. Two, this was a pedigree I was adding to my database. And three, if everyone here doesn't believe a dog can come from quote nothing and be something, take fc hof dog tip top timmy. Had one fc in 4 or 5 generations....and then went on to sire the number two field champ sire in the history of the breed fc hof uodibars boss man. Just because I was and have found a rusty bred stud doesn't mean that I don't think what I stated isn't true, just means odds are better from proven lines. That's why I study pedigrees, so I actually know where my dog comes from!

[birddogger]

Some people will try to find anything they can to start an argument or put down another member. But I am glad the majority are here to help and/or learn. Good luck with your database, it sounds like an interesting, educational and fun project.

Charlie

[markj]

Well keep on doing the database, its like a family tree of sorts.

Didint I read a post about rusty being 1/2 pointer? lol read it on the internets...

[Ahumphers91a]

Well keep on doing the database, its like a family tree of sorts.

Didint I read a post about rusty being 1/2 pointer? lol read it on the internets...

Lmao, it has to be true if it's on the internet........