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"AA"?

Post by Moojoo » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:42 pm

It's tough to keep up with all the abbreviations on this site...

What is "AA"?

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Re: "AA"?

Post by ymepointer » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:42 pm

Alcoholics Anonomys :lol: ....some refer to it as All age but I think thats just to avoid the embarassment :lol:
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Re: "AA"?

Post by Moojoo » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:45 pm

Oh...okay. Then what the heck is "Anonomys"?

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Re: "AA"?

Post by ymepointer » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:47 pm

all kidding aside it is an abrev for the term All Age which refers to a certain field trial stake in the US which is for very wide ranging horseback field trial dogs.

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Post by tn red » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:50 pm

http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too :P :P

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Post by Moojoo » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:51 pm

Okay, thanks. I knew horses were involved but I couldn't figure it out.

Thanks...

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Post by original mngsp » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:04 pm

I knew horses were involved
Typically yes they are, but i was at a FT once that offered a walking AA stake. Darndest thing i had ever heard of.

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Post by BigShooter » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:16 pm

tn red wrote:http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too :P :P

During a field trial a run off cannot win. A dog that has never placed may be considered a wannabe, not a true All Age.
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Post by BoJack » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:14 pm

AA-Short for---Kiss Amos Goodbye-You can pick him up in the next County.
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Re: "AA"?

Post by tn red » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:57 pm

BigShooter wrote:
tn red wrote:http://www.americanfield.com/Pages/FTRequirements.html
i hear they are called run offs too :P :P

During a field trial a run off cannot win. A dog that has never placed may be considered a wannabe, not a true All Age.
yeh i thought the :P :P was a dead give away

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Re: "AA"?

Post by BigShooter » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:17 pm

What's the difference between a lot of inaccurate barbs with a couple of " :P :P " thrown in and just plain old snide remarks?
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Post by ezzy333 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:23 pm

Its OK to have some fun but when you get a serious question form someone trying to learn let's answer his question. We don't need to confuse someone. We can have our fun someplace else.

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Post by tn red » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:39 pm

BigShooter wrote:What's the difference between a lot of inaccurate barbs with a couple of " :P :P " thrown in and just plain old snide remarks?
Snide remark? Not at all Mark i think you took me wrong :wink:

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Re: "AA"?

Post by gunner » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:28 am

My three hot all-age bred pointers are now laying by my feet in my library as I type this. All three have wins in traditional horseback field trials, have been trained on foot and horseback and have hunted over on quail, woodcock, pheasant and grouse. Companion dogs they are.

Lots of misconceptions on AA dogs.

In it's purest sense for years in American Field/ FDSB bird dog field trials, stakes that were open All-Age meant that those stakes were open to anyone to compete with any aged dog they would want to enter. There was no reference about range, performance or mode of handling the dog. I hear that there are still some clubs that run walking all-age stakes in some parts of the country.

Definition of standards of performance have evolved with the various traditional field trial stakes held. Many variables are now included in the judging of those performances which some may depend upon the sponsoring parent club; AKC or American Field FDSB, the part of the country those stakes are being held, the coverts and gamebird species they're run upon, number of courses run, half hour or 3 hour runs, whether the dogs are handled by an amateur or professional, ages of the dogs; puppy or derby, older finished broke dog stakes, weekend local club venues, classics or major championships.

All those various stakes can be a bit confusing and I would suggest folks to actually attend some field trial event. I've never known a field trialer that wasn't a bird hunter first so there can be a lot in common interest. The Amateur Field Trial Clubs of America and the American Field websites answer most questions as to clubs, the stakes they run, where and when, the basic minimum standards field trials clubs are held accountable and guidelines to the judging of those stakes. Most important is the actual performance of those field trial dogs and how their inherent traits so important to the the breeders of dogs coming before the pointing dog fraternity may be observed on a fair field, and judged by knowledgeable non-biased bird dog men.

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Re: "AA"?

Post by PntrRookie » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:20 am

Gunner nailed it. The SIMPLEST way to look at it is that organizations hold trials based on the dog's range.

1. Walking Shooting Dog
2. Horseback Shooting Dog
3. Walking AA (as mentioned above - and I have not seen this)
4. Horseback AA

These lines get blurred too. I have a Walking SD prospect that I run in a couple HB Champion stakes. It all depends on where you are at and what opportunities present themselves. She adapts her range to the cover and the horse vs. walking.

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Post by RayGubernat » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:33 am

PntrRookie wrote:Gunner nailed it. The SIMPLEST way to look at it is that organizations hold trials based on the dog's range.

1. Walking Shooting Dog
2. Horseback Shooting Dog
3. Walking AA (as mentioned above - and I have not seen this)
4. Horseback AA

These lines get blurred too. I have a Walking SD prospect that I run in a couple HB Champion stakes. It all depends on where you are at and what opportunities present themselves. She adapts her range to the cover and the horse vs. walking.

Since there are a lot of folks reading on here that hunt behind continentals, it should be pointed out that all all of the above stakes are sanctioned by the American Field and wins appear on Feidl Dog Stud Book pedigrees.

There is also the American Kennel Club(AKC) which sanctions a whole different set of field trials(as well as Hunt tests).
These would be:

Walking Gun Dog
Horseback Gun dog
Walking All Age(rare- I've never seen one)
Horseback All Age

There are also several other organizations that offer competitions which differ from both of these. One of the largest is the National Shoot to Retrieve Assn(NSTRA) where the birds are pointed, shot and retrieved for a score.

Lots of different ways to have fun, competitively with your dogs.

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Re: "AA"?

Post by V-John » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:18 am

original mngsp wrote:
I knew horses were involved
Typically yes they are, but i was at a FT once that offered a walking AA stake. Darndest thing i had ever heard of.
Did you watch it?

I think that would certainly be a "bleep" interesting thing to see!

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Re: "AA"?

Post by Wagonmaster » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:31 pm

The only difference between what Bill said and what I would say is that I have two, not three, and they are home sleeping on the bed. His probably have better house manners than mine. Mine are awful, couch, bed, begging for treats and such like. I never fed them table scraps but my "pals" up at hunting camp would pass them some under the table, so that is how that got started. Darn AA's anyway.

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Re: "AA"?

Post by Neil » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:24 pm

The Brittanys hold a few AKC/American Field Shooting Dog stakes, that goes between walking A-A and A-A,

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