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Post by bean1031 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:05 pm

Im looking to get my first car in the next year or so and have a few questions.
Right now Im leaning for a used Jeep, most likely a CJ7. DO you guys think I should go with a wrangler or CJ 5 Instead? also I had a question about paint jobs. I have a link to a pretty cool paint job http://www.austinjeeps.com/jeep9.jpg If i were to find a jeep this color would it be possible to paint on the rest of the stuff like decals? (i dont know much about painting) how much would a paint job like that cost?
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Post by jimbo&rooster » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:39 am

firs of all, I would recomend a wrangler over a CJ, more so due to the reliability and the better fuel mileace. dont get me wong i own and love my 7 but for a daily driver youl be happier with the fuel injecton, and a few other creature comforts. truthfully the price for a decent wrangler and the CJ will actually be pretty close.
as afar as the paint job you are looking at, I grew up in a body shop where we did a little bit of custom paint and the paint lub you are looking at assuming the base collor of the jeep is right is probly going to be $1000-2000 there is alot of prep time and alot of detail involved in somthing like that assuming that it is in fact painted. now.... that said, you may be able to find a vinyl shop that prints stickers and they might be able to cut you a set of decals that you can wrap over the jeep for about half the price. youl just have to be careful not to wrinkle the decals while installing them. hope this is helpful.
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Post by birddogsunlimited » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:53 am

i second going with the wrangler and if you can find one with the 4.0 inline 6 engine even better i found when i had a 94 it was lacking in power when i was playing with it. on the street it was fine but after a set of 33 the fule economy went down hill too with that 4 poper. i have a 90 cherokee right now i use for a daily driver with the 4.0 and it is great. all depending what they sell for in your area you should be able to get a wrangler for and up 2500 they really seem to hold there value.
as far as the paint goes it looks like theres some air brushing done there so you would be looking at a couple grand into paint even if you find one the color you want theres still scuffing the clear coat painting and puting another couple coats of clear on to protect it and level it out so its smooth and you cant feel the raise in the paint were it was air brushed on. its a bit of work and pricey. not to mention once you own a jeep its hard to keep it stock with the world of aftermarket parts for them and there a ton of fun to drive. if decide to lift it id recomend http://www.roughcountry.com real nice kits and prices arnt to bad either. good luck with it once you get one im sure you will love it
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Post by bean1031 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:25 pm

I have been shopping around a little and it seems you can get a CJ7 totally rebuilt for around $10,000 with under 20,000 miles on the engine. The wranglers seem like if you want one for under $10,000 its gunna have 100,000 miles. Would it be worth it to upgrade for the price? keep in mind were working on a 16 year olds budget. Are parts for CJs more expensive? Which breaks down more often? Im really in love with Jeeps but does anyone else have a car suggestion?
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Post by jimbo&rooster » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:28 am

the parts for the Cj will not necesarily be anymore expensive, but youll probly buy more of them. one advantage is that the CJs engine and drive line are fairly easy to work on, and while I am sure that someone on here has had a different experience than me, both of my Cjs got about 10mpg when cruising around. In my opinion i wouldnt wory about 100000 mile vehical as long as you take a look at it and do ur best to make sure that it hasnt been abused to much. My recomendation is still to lean towards the Wrangler. the biggest thing I would check is the frame rails where the rear body mounts are bolted right at the rear bumper, they have a tendancy to rot there. I would also give the frame a look wher the power steering box mounts, this spot tends to get torqued a little bit when they are abused off road. I would look these spots over on a CJ or a wrangler. Ive owned a few of each of what your looking at and have gone from mild to wild with builds and can tell you that if you let it happen even on a 16yr olds budget you can have a ton of fun building and playing in a jeep.
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Post by mcbosco » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:43 am

I have had a 2008 Wrangler Sahara for 3 years. It is my daily driver. It has been 100% reliable. Not even a light bulb has burned out.

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Post by asc » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:10 am

If you get a cj go with a 7. I have a 1977 cj5 and the later cj7's have more leg room. I love my jeep for hunting but not for everyday driving.
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Post by topher40 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:47 pm

Buying a used car of any sort is a craps shoot. I would suggest buying something economical, no sense blowing your wad on the initial investment of the vehicle. I speak from experience. When I turned 18 I bought an 88 wrangler because it was "cool". Looking back the only thing it got me was girls, trouble, and repair bills. Buy something you can pay for in cash, drive it and stay out of debt. Just my .02
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Post by bean1031 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:59 pm

Thanks guys! Topher if you vote against the jeep what car is your suggestion? I want something I can hunt and train my dog from, so nothing like a camry or corolla. Which model of the wrangler should I be looking at? TJ or YJ? Im not really a fan of the square headlights on the TJ but the YJ is more expensive. Should I get one that has a hard top and a soft or just soft? If you guys are hunting out of a soft top, do you worry about gear being stollen?
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Post by Tall Boy » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:57 pm

What's your budget?

My first truck was/is an 01 Sport Trac 4x4 fully loaded that I paid 12k out the door with 60k miles. Gets between 18-20 mpg mixed and have only had to replace the ball joints and a brake drum. Only bad part is the bed being 4', but I can still get a tandem dog box in it, with a single box ratchet strapped on top...just no room for a tool box or stagging area (tailgate). I'm in 4wd almost everyday and ol' Lucy never lets me down, and she can tow 5k plus...why get a jeep?

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Post by bean1031 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:05 pm

Tall Boy wrote:What's your budget?

My first truck was/is an 01 Sport Trac 4x4 fully loaded that I paid 12k out the door with 60k miles. Gets between 18-20 mpg mixed and have only had to replace the ball joints and a brake drum. Only bad part is the bed being 4', but I can still get a tandem dog box in it, with a single box ratchet strapped on top...just no room for a tool box or stagging area (tailgate). I'm in 4wd almost everyday and ol' Lucy never lets me down, and she can tow 5k plus...why get a jeep?
I would like to keep it under 10k. Why get a jeep? Great looking, Great off roading capibilities, great platform for upgrades in the future, can take the top off. Im not closed off to a truck though. My grandpa has a Sport Trac that he seems to be pretty happy with.
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Post by quailrunner » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:39 am

Jeep cherokee is my vote. They are less expensive then the CJ's or Wranglers, and there are lots of used parts at very reasonable prices. With the 4.0L straight 6 cyl these motors are very durable. You can find one that has been driven around in the city with around 100K miles and add the juice like a lift kit, off road lights, HD roof rack and winch. For $10k you'll have an awesome vehicle with room for the dog, guns, girlfriend, and your buddy can get tied down on the roof with the spare tire. Keep up on the maintenance and you should get at least another 150k miles on it. Don't lift it too high so that you can tow a trailer with it because you will need it for moving your stuff in and out of the dorms when you get to college.

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Post by birddogsunlimited » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:13 am

a hard top on a wrangler is better in the winter than the soft top but the soft is nice in the sumer because it can be droped easy and if it starts to rain its back up in couple mins. perdonaly i like my cherokee alot more for a daily driver and its more than capable off road. i prefere the cherokee sport compaired to the grand. the grand is a smoother ride but cost more to work on. i have 160k on my 90 and it runs like a champ just drove it from noth dakota to michigan and back averaged about 18 t0 20 mpg mind you its not a speed demon i run the interstate at 65-70 when i go faster it sounds like shes gona blow its just not geard for running fast. on a 4.0 engine ive seen a few with over 300k on them so if you find one with 150k on it i wouldnt worrie to much about the milage. of course you could always get a jeep comanche pick up have the benifits of a jeep in a ranger sized truck. check out jeepforum.com theres tons of info there, on just about every jeep ever made
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Post by jimbo&rooster » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:46 pm

quailrunner wrote:Jeep cherokee is my vote. They are less expensive then the CJ's or Wranglers, and there are lots of used parts at very reasonable prices. With the 4.0L straight 6 cyl these motors are very durable. You can find one that has been driven around in the city with around 100K miles and add the juice like a lift kit, off road lights, HD roof rack and winch. For $10k you'll have an awesome vehicle with room for the dog, guns, girlfriend, and your buddy can get tied down on the roof with the spare tire. Keep up on the maintenance and you should get at least another 150k miles on it. Don't lift it too high so that you can tow a trailer with it because you will need it for moving your stuff in and out of the dorms when you get to college.
My step mother has a 96 grand cherokee with 276k on it and i wouldnt be afraid to drive it across the country. it avaerages 16mpg in town and 18-19 on the interstate. the only maintenance has been front hub assemblies every 50k and front brakes once a year (shes ruff on em :D ). Ive put my pet barrier in it and hauled 2 dogs and three guys to go duck hunting and it pulls my boat real nice. personally im a truck guy but ive had jeeps and suzuki samuris around since before i could drive and you cant beat em for bangin around the farm, a soft top on a jeep is hard to keep secure and you gota watch brush and branches so they dont tear it and they get real brittle in the cold. Ive never had a hard top on a jeep especially a CJ that didnt leak air and rattle.
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Post by bean1031 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:14 pm

birddogsunlimited wrote:a hard top on a wrangler is better in the winter than the soft top but the soft is nice in the sumer because it can be droped easy and if it starts to rain its back up in couple mins. perdonaly i like my cherokee alot more for a daily driver and its more than capable off road. i prefere the cherokee sport compaired to the grand. the grand is a smoother ride but cost more to work on. i have 160k on my 90 and it runs like a champ just drove it from noth dakota to michigan and back averaged about 18 t0 20 mpg mind you its not a speed demon i run the interstate at 65-70 when i go faster it sounds like shes gona blow its just not geard for running fast. on a 4.0 engine ive seen a few with over 300k on them so if you find one with 150k on it i wouldnt worrie to much about the milage. of course you could always get a jeep comanche pick up have the benifits of a jeep in a ranger sized truck. check out jeepforum.com theres tons of info there, on just about every jeep ever made
Is it a common problem for cherokees engines to sound like they are gunna blow if you only go 65 to 70 or is it just yours?
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Post by mcbosco » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:00 pm

Look for a Nissan Xterra. They are very well built, just the right size with a big durable engine. I like my Wrangler but you cant get much in them. As your sole car, a Wrangler can be a pain.

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Post by birddogsunlimited » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:45 pm

it probly depends on the year of cherokee as to how it is geard they i can run 80 but it its runing at almost 3k rpm i have a 5 speed manul to so an automatic might be diferent but either way most people i know with them say that 75 is about tops some less but they are also turning 32 to 33inch tires mine still has 225/75/r15s if your looking for somthing that moves alil faster the grand might be a beter option.
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Post by bean1031 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:34 pm

What do you guys think about the 2001 2002 ish Land Rover Discoverys? They are great looking and seem to be priced pretty well compared to a wrangler? The nissan xterra seems pretty good, ill look into that.
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Post by jlp8cornell » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:43 am

The nissan xterra seems pretty good, ill look into that.
My best friend had an Xterra. She just got a Pathfinder and her hubby now has the Xterra. Nice SUV. Goes through any amount of snow, rides a little stiff, but nice and the standards are zippy. She got the Pathfinder so there would be room for 2 dog crates in the back vs one in the Xterra. Good vehicle choice. She never had any mechanical problems with it.

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Post by Ryman Gun Dog » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:57 am

bean1031,
Not much on the new jeep products, we use the Ford Expodition for our Grouse dog training business, we love it and it has the room we need, and gets 18 miles to a gallon of gas, fully loaded. In the past we used Tahoes, the old 95 was a good vehicle, the new ones you can keep, the milage stinks and the vehicles are actually smaller.
Got the Expodition and have been totally satisfied with her so far, and we use the vehicle as we dog train every day. We can put 6 dog cages inside, of different sizes and still have room for out hunting or training gear. Try that with a Jeep.
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Post by dan v » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:19 am

bean1031 wrote:What do you guys think about the 2001 2002 ish Land Rover Discoverys? They are great looking and seem to be priced pretty well compared to a wrangler? The nissan xterra seems pretty good, ill look into that.
Have a hard look at repair cost compered to other similar vehicles.
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Post by mcbosco » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:21 am

Unless you are talking truck V-8's, GM's especially, nothing compares to engines in Japanese cars. If you are buying used and don't want a lot of repair risk, stick with a Japanese SUV, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mitsui. Used Mitsui's are a relative bargain.

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Post by bean1031 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:05 pm

Ryman Gun Dog wrote:bean1031,
Not much on the new jeep products, we use the Ford Expodition for our Grouse dog training business, we love it and it has the room we need, and gets 18 miles to a gallon of gas, fully loaded. In the past we used Tahoes, the old 95 was a good vehicle, the new ones you can keep, the milage stinks and the vehicles are actually smaller.
Got the Expodition and have been totally satisfied with her so far, and we use the vehicle as we dog train every day. We can put 6 dog cages inside, of different sizes and still have room for out hunting or training gear. Try that with a Jeep.
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For a second I thought you were my dad. We had a tahoe for along time, now we have an expedition. That going to be the car we use for any sizeable hunting trip when we need to bring lots of gear or people. haha Ya i did a little research into the Discovery and found most people think they are very unrelyable in the early 2000 models. Im going to do a little more research into the japanese cars. As much as I want to buy american, some of the japs might just have a better product. At the same time I just cant get the idea of a jeep out of my head! Cruising with the top down, dog ears flapping in the wind'!
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Post by Tall Boy » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:10 pm

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Post by Danro » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:36 pm

Go with the wrangler, I'm drivin a 93 YJ as my daily driver now, I can get about 20 mgp. I'm sure you'll be driving it to school right mostly? For that back and forth driving less then 10 miles 20 mpg is all you'll need IMO.
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Post by 1114 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:52 pm

Another vote for the Xterra. Had mine for 9 years/135K miles and have enjoyed every minute. Take off the step rails, throw on some A/T tires and it'll take you anywhere you want to go. Plenty of room for a dog and gear in the back and you'll get around 20MPG. If you look at one used, be sure to check for cracked exhaust manifolds and, if it's over 100K miles, make sure the timing belt has been changed. Or, if you can find a Jeep with the inline 6-cylinder, you really can't go wrong. That engine is bulletproof. I also love the looks of the Discovery, but the repair/maintenance cost proved to be prohibitive, lots of horror stories out there. That said, my next vehicle will be a newish Pathfinder, thanks to my great experience with the Xterra.

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Post by BrassVols » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:18 am

topher40 wrote:Buying a used car of any sort is a craps shoot. I would suggest buying something economical, no sense blowing your wad on the initial investment of the vehicle. I speak from experience. When I turned 18 I bought an 88 wrangler because it was "cool". Looking back the only thing it got me was girls, trouble, and repair bills. Buy something you can pay for in cash, drive it and stay out of debt. Just my .02
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Post by Greg Jennings » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:23 am

Not big on Jeeps. Have had 2 friends with CJs burn to the bare metal. Check out Consumer Reports ratings...

Suggest the Toyota 4Runner. I have a '96 with 239,000 miles that is going strong. Just do the routine maintenance.

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Post by mcbosco » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:32 am

There aren't too many cars or smaller trucks/suv's I would keep past 100K miles other than a Toyota, Honda, Nissan or Subaru.

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Post by Steve007 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:52 pm

bean1031 wrote: Is it a common problem for cherokees engines to sound like they are gunna blow if you only go 65 to 70 or is it just yours?
Can't speak for his, but at 65 mph, I'm turning about 2200 rpm in 5th gear. I get 23 mpg in mixed city/hwy driving. Less if the Cherokee is way overdue for a tuneup. Just had first thorough one at 150K miles. Original wires etc. 'till then.

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