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Jester is an outcross from a line bred rusty female bred to rawhides clown

Looks good brother, congrats.

1st place amateur derby

Training prior to field trial

Weekend placements for field trial

I may possibly have the only direct son of Rawhides Clown alive.Redbuds Rodeo Clown

I am looking for a very heavy line bred Rawhides Clown puppy ,Does anyone know of any.
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Pretty cool to read - I have a puppy who is clowns grandson - love the thread!

I saw Clown run he was a nice animal, but he was bred alot what did he produce .

msrkennels wrote:I saw Clown run he was a nice animal, but he was bred alot what did he produce .

I'm not much of a GSP guy but didn't Clown throw many FC.s?

If someone has a FDSB pedigree up close you can see how much his offspring and their offspring did.... Just don't have him that close in kimbers pedigree.
I don't think it was clown that people bred for but his sir instead.

So no national champions and probalby few hour champions so what's he bring to the table .Fc are a dime a dozen and there are plenty that are marginal to poor examples as gun dogs.

Well he did make it to the GsP hall of fame....

I'm just glad to hear that FC's are worthless as gundogs and that one of the all time producers is just as worthless. Not directed at you Tyler.

Brazosvalleyvizslas wrote:I'm just glad to hear that FC's are worthless as gundogs and that one of the all time producers is just as worthless. Not directed at you Tyler.

Wow, you you really got that from what he said? I most be reading it wrong.

Quailcommando wrote:

Brazosvalleyvizslas wrote:I'm just glad to hear that FC's are worthless as gundogs and that one of the all time producers is just as worthless. Not directed at you Tyler.

Wow, you you really got that from what he said? I most be reading it wrong.

Maybe I read it wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

I'm just saying to be a great stud you should produceprogeny equal to or better then yourself especially when ,you've been bred that much. Clown has a great record himself but where's anything close that he threw only one dog comes to mind Clowns early news but one or two out of thousands is not impressive enough for me to get excited about paying that kind of money when there are better proven producers out there that bring more to the table.

For as much as he was bred, I agree his National Champion numbers are not that good.

2xNGDC NSDC-RU FC AFC Echo's Little Bit of Clown (Bitty) was out of my (Brandi) NASDC 3xNGDC-RU FC AFC Gertrudes Blue Brandi bred to Rawhides Clown.

Brandi is a grand daughter of Clown.

Brandi was bred to Clown and produced a couple FC's and the one NGDC. I bred Brandi to several FC sons of Clown and they produced several FC and AFC off springs.

It was as much about the females that Clown was bred to that produced the good offspring.

I had another Clown daughter that I bred to a Saddle/Rusty male and produced NSDC 2xNGDC-RU FC Ike's Eshods Delight (Dee)

Not sure of his actual numbers, but I had heard of a crazy number that Clown was bred somewhere around 600 times. Don't see how that is physically possible. Maybe 600 pups. Only AKC really knows.

AKC: 9 wins
AF: 1 win

As stated in his HOF write up..... Is that right?

I had one of the last Clown sons, could never get him broke on coveys,but was a pretty fair singles dog. He would not have made a trial dog.

On my copy of a AF Pedigree Dated June, 2001; that has Clown & Saddle listed: AF doesn't specify between Winner and Runner-Up.

Clown's # are 19 placements-38 progeny placements-184 total progeny placements.

Saddle's # are 19-45-294 I'm sure Saddle was bred considerably less then Clown was.

AKC report: Only shows 1 National Win. When we all know there are 3 Wins. Shows how up to date akc is when no more $ is coming in you the dog. :roll:
NFC FC Rawhides Clown - SF290858
Conformation - Awards Processed Through 26-JUN-2014

CH

Number of Points 0
Number Major Wins 0
Number Major Judges 0
Total Number Judges 0

Field Trial - Awards Processed Through 09-JUL-2014

NFC

Number of Points 0
Wins 0
Puppy Points 0
Derby Points 0
Major Wins 0
Water Test Qualifies 0
Amateur Points 0
Wins National 1
Retrieving Points 0

FC

Number of Points 43
Wins 0
Puppy Points 2
Derby Points 2
Major Wins 7
Water Test Qualifies 0
Amateur Points 0
Wins National 1
Retrieving Points 26
AFC

Number of Points 0
Wins 7
Puppy Points 0
Derby Points 0
Major Wins 0
Water Test Qualifies 0
Amateur Points 0
Wins National 0
Retrieving Points 0

If 2 of those 3 wins were not AKC sanctioned then AKC has no record of them.

He won the GSPCA NFC 3 times. AKC is not good at keeping national title records.

Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:He won the GSPCA NFC 3 times. AKC is not good at keeping national title records.

Very true I ordered an AKC certified 4 generation pedigree for a dog and AKC left off the national titles on 4 different dogs. I had to give them the years they won their national titles---they then looked them up--corrected the pedigree and didn't charge me on the new one. They also left an FC title off a Hall of Fame dog---they wouldn't correct that because they said it was too far in the past. I also ordered a 5 generation research pedigree the other day and they left off 5 national titles on it. They get the dogs right on the pedigrees but don't count on the pedigrees for ALL the dogs titles. :roll:

msrkennels wrote:I'm just saying to be a great stud you should produceprogeny equal to or better then yourself especially when ,you've been bred that much. Clown has a great record himself but where's anything close that he threw only one dog comes to mind Clowns early news but one or two out of thousands is not impressive enough for me to get excited about paying that kind of money when there are better proven producers out there that bring more to the table.

FC Showtime's Rollin Thunder didn't do to bad and neither did FC Oakridge Oaks Von Greiwe.

The whole debate about Clown being a great stud is ridiculous.

Everyone looks at how much he was breed. Let's look at how many of his pups were campaigned and had a chance to be a FC or AFC.
Most Clown pups went to hunting homes.

If only 10% of his pups were ever entered in a field trial, there is no way he would have a high percentage of offspring that were titled.

Now if Clown had 90% of his dogs that were entered in a trial, yes, he didn't produce anything close to him.

Clown has 58 offspring with an AKC title.

What makes you think his pups had less of a chance than any other dogs pups?

IMO if Don hadn't retired, the GSP field trial scene would be quite different today.

ezzy333 wrote:What makes you think his pups had less of a chance than any other dogs pups?

If they were hunting dogs and never got trialed, then they never had a chance to be titled to begin with.

LHC Clowns Heart Flush "Jester" took a 1st in the open derby at the Desert GSP club trial in Parks, AZ.He now has his 4 derby points towards his FC and now will be running in broke dog stakes this fall.

Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:IMO if Don hadn't retired, the GSP field trial scene would be quite different today.

+1

How many on here actually saw clown run at a field trial or training in person ? We spent many summers with Don at his camp in the sandhills training dogs and I can tell ya Clown was the real deal. I can say this we have judged him, been braced with him and saw him run many times over the years Don was running him, and any dog that can win 3 consecutive AA national championships is doing something. Most of the dogs we owned at that time were clown bred or Bilbo Baggins bred from Don and we had a ton of success with them on the trial circuit and earning FCs on them. Those two dogs I mentioned were probably my two favorite dogs that Don campaigned over the years when he was on the circuit full time.

Look at Cody holding that GSP!

Now Bilbo Baggins is a different story I think he is a producer.

What is left out of Billy that isnt 4 or 5 generations back?

azgspowner wrote:What is left out of Billy that isnt 4 or 5 generations back?

Kane's a grandson.

Who cares about pedigrees so much anyways!??!

I like to hear about what the current dog is doing, not some dog that died in the 80's that happens to be in the pedigree.

Though I am partial to the Slick line of breeding!

To appreciate the present we must understand the past.

Elkhunter wrote:Who cares about pedigrees so much anyways!??!

I like to hear about what the current dog is doing, not some dog that died in the 80's that happens to be in the pedigree.

Though I am partial to the Slick line of breeding!

Seems to me you answered your own question

azgspowner wrote:LHC Clowns Heart Flush "Jester" took a 1st in the open derby at the Desert GSP club trial in Parks, AZ.He now has his 4 derby points towards his FC and now will be running in broke dog stakes this fall.

What kind of range is this young dog showing, AA, SD, GD?
He does not seem as big as Clown.

Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:To appreciate the present we must understand the past.

So true!

Is he running in the national futurity this year?

Btw two derby points is all that goes towards his FC. They don't add amateur derby towards the FC if you have open points also.

Wind Dancer Kennels wrote:

azgspowner wrote:LHC Clowns Heart Flush "Jester" took a 1st in the open derby at the Desert GSP club trial in Parks, AZ.He now has his 4 derby points towards his FC and now will be running in broke dog stakes this fall.

What kind of range is this young dog showing, AA, SD, GD?
He does not seem as big as Clown.

He is showing shooting dog range, and that is fine with me, so i am happy with where he is at and cannot wait to breed to Clown again in the near future.

Is he running in the national futurity?

Elkhunter wrote: I like to hear about what the current dog is doing, not some dog that died in the 80's that happens to be in the pedigree.

Correction, Winning 3 AKC NFC titles in a row was pretty much impossible in the 80's as the GSPCA National still rotated around the country. New grounds each year prevented repeats.

Vision wrote:

Elkhunter wrote: I like to hear about what the current dog is doing, not some dog that died in the 80's that happens to be in the pedigree.

Correction, Winning 3 AKC NFC titles in a row was pretty much impossible in the 80's as the GSPCA National still rotated around the country. New grounds each year prevented repeats.

Clown did not die until the 2000's and billy in the late 90's. If it was not for frozen semen breedings, some great dogs out there would not exist, especially the frozen semen breedings out of Cutter and the dogs that it produced.

ultracarry wrote:Is he running in the national futurity?

I think I remember seeing him on the run order for last years 2013 futurity

Below it is what is copied from NGSPA website as to clowns wins, placements and off spring.
3/7/88 – 5/18/2003

Rawhide’s Clown, German Shorthaired Pointer male was whelped March 7, 1988, out of a mating of Jigs White Smoke and Rawhide’s Josie Wells. Rawhide’s Clown was bred by Martin K. Wyant II of Omaha, Nebraska, owned by Dierk Davis of Terre Haute, Indiana, and handled to his wins by Don Paltani of Belleville, Nebraska.

Rawhide’s Clown was an early winner in Shorthair field trial competition. He was ranked the number one puppy-derby dog in 1990 after having numerous placements in puppy and derby competition. His derby placements included winning the 1989 German Shorthaired National Pointer Club’s (American Kennel Club) National Futurity, placing second in the 1990 National German Shorthaired Pointer Club (American Field) National Futurity, and going runner-up in the 1990 National German Pointing Dog (American Field) Derby Classic.

Rawhide’s Clown excelled in all-age Shorthair competition. He won his first broke dog stake at the age of 25 months and over the course of his career he had nine first placements, seven second placements, three third placements and five fourth placements in AKC field trial competition. He won the 1992, 1993, and 1994 German Shorthaired Pointer Club of America (GSPCA) All-Age National Championship the only Shorthair to have ever won this event three times. In National German Shorthaired Pointer Competition (NGSPA) competition he won the NGSPA Region 17, went runner-up in the 1993 NGSPA National Championship and also went runner-up in NGSPA Region 5, Region 8, and Region 17 All-Age Stakes.

Over the course of his career Rawhide’s Clown was the GSPCA Sire of the Year on six occasions and NGSPA Sire of the Year on two occasions. Rawhide’s Clown is the number two all time leading sire of AKC Field Champions with 54 of his progeny having obtained their field championship title. The American Field, Field Dog Stud Book, reflects that Rawhide’s Clown sired 54 winners who amassed 403 wins and placements. In addition, Rawhide’s Clown sired several dogs that amassed other AKC titles and numerous Shorthairs that obtained titles in National Shoot-to-Retrieve competition. He proved to be a very prepotent sire whose influence is still impacting field German Shorthaired Pointers.

M Petrillo wrote:

ultracarry wrote:Is he running in the national futurity?

I think I remember seeing him on the run order for last years 2013 futurity

Gotcha. Wondered why it was still in derbys. Maybe that's why he ignored the question ?

I think the above post on Clown pretty much sums it up. I think it's funny people thought he was dead clear back in the 80s.

Elkhunter wrote:Look at Cody holding that GSP!

I know he's quite a specimen...... the dog I mean. It's pretty funny the olny dogs I have placed this year have been stubbys.