How many? X-Ray pic!!

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:10 am

Any guesses how many?

She's HUGE!!

nitrex · Post by **nitrex** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:23 am

At least 10!!! I would guess - 11. How much does she weigh without pups? She's a Fatty!!!! Good Luck!

Nitrex

BrettBryan · Post by **BrettBryan** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:09 am

Ross,

Wow! She's huge! Is that Sally?

Ruffshooter · Post by **Ruffshooter** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:10 am

I don't think she is going to have puppies, She ate a big ole watermellon.

What is her normal weight?

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:44 am

That's Sarah and those are frozen semen Guard Rail pups. She normally weighs in at 46-47 lbs. Last time she was this big she had 14. Wouldn't that be something!

Going in for a head count x-ray on Monday and she is due to whelp on Wednesday.

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:48 am

Wow! She is huge! Best of luck.

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:06 am

8.......5m &3F....and one watermelon.....

Ruffshooter · Post by **Ruffshooter** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:03 am

I am laughing each time I see this. Can she even walk right now? What is the whelp date?

Good luck.
Rick

up-hunter · Post by **up-hunter** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 am

wow so much for frozen semen breedings and small litters, i bet she is pissed at you right now lol

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:06 am

13- 8 females 5 males

very nice before picture- now- "you wanted lots of babies right"

BrettBryan · Post by **BrettBryan** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:01 am

Got ya. Yeah, I hope all goes well with that litter. That's a high dollar litter there. Good luck and hope everything goes good!

My guess, 11 pups.

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:34 am

If she is AI'd what process did you use?

I am guessing no more than 8 pups...... We need to start a poll and the winner gets a free pup! As said my guess is 8.....

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:36 am

If we guess it right do we win a puppy? Ha ha. I'm guessing 11 pups, lose a male making it 10 and 6f and 4m. How's that for a guess.

Vagas

BoJack · Post by **BoJack** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:37 am

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:48 am

I am laughing each time I see this. Can she even walk right now? What is the whelp date?

She has to build momentum to roll over far enough to get her legs under her before she can stand. Hard to believe that I had her in condition and entered in the SC OSD Championship in December. Had to scratch her because she came in. Now look at her!

Post by **Sharon** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:49 am

Yawallac wrote:That's Sarah and those are frozen semen Guard Rail pups. She normally weighs in at 46-47 lbs. Last time she was this big she had 14. Wouldn't that be something!

Going in for a head count x-ray on Monday and she is due to whelp on Wednesday.

Lord willing, you are definately going to get your money's worth.

postoakshorthairs · Post by **postoakshorthairs** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:30 pm

10 is my guess.

vols fan · Post by **vols fan** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:46 pm

I had my Maggie x-rayed and ultra sound 1 day before and all we saw on both were 6 pups,she had 12. good luck

Fireside · Post by **Fireside** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:29 pm

I'll guess a lucky 13

High Roll-N-Angel · Post by **High Roll-N-Angel** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:00 pm

I guess 12.

Post by **Sharon** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:14 pm

TAK wrote:If she is AI'd what process did you use?

I am guessing no more than 8 pups...... We need to start a poll and the winner gets a free pup! As said my guess is 8.....

All right! Great idea. I'm for that!

vzkennels · Post by **vzkennels** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:22 pm

Tak remember that eating an apple through a picket fence comment you made.Now you asking for a free one!!

I say 10

Oh if I win I want a LVR & White one,want it's tail docked when it's 3 days old!!

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:40 pm

Spoke with the vet and I'm taking her for the x-ray in the AM. If there are a lot (which sure seems the case) I've decided to elective c-sec them out on Tues.

Tak, surgical AI. We put the semen directly on the eggs three days after ovulation. The semen was only 40% motility after thaw. I was worried we might not even get a pup! Sarah's eggs must have grabbed the sperm by their tails and slapped them across the face and yelled, "Wake up!!" ...nevermind.

MARKB · Post by **MARKB** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:09 pm

Wow, I agree with Vagas and say 11.

Lets see 11 x $$$$$$ = Holy crap !!!

Great idea on the C-section, why risk lossing any of the pups.
Do you know at what age Guard Rail was when he was collected for the donation ?

I don't mean this is a mean way to Sahara, but she looks like Octa-Mom

Post by **Sharon** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:24 pm

Smart idea to have a c-section done!

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:40 pm

vzkennels wrote:Tak remember that eating an apple through a picket fence comment you made.Now you asking for a free one!!
I say 10

Oh if I win I want a LVR & White one,want it's tail docked when it's 3 days old!!

Ohh heck I talk all tough and such.... But if it was going to be a kick arse dog... I happen to like Kick Arse dogs!

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:42 pm

Yawallac wrote:Spoke with the vet and I'm taking her for the x-ray in the AM. If there are a lot (which sure seems the case) I've decided to elective c-sec them out on Tues.

Tak, surgical AI. We put the semen directly on the eggs three days after ovulation. The semen was only 40% motility after thaw. I was worried we might not even get a pup! Sarah's eggs must have grabbed the sperm by their tails and slapped them across the face and yelled, "Wake up!!" ...nevermind.

LOL!!!!!! How many straws did you use? One of them McDonalds straws?!!!!!!

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:46 pm

Hey man... I talked to your Vet today... He said he was trying to get ahold of you. There was a mix-up at the juice bank and your dog has Great Dan pups in her! At least half that is....

nitrex · Post by **nitrex** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:05 pm

Yawallac wrote:Sarah's eggs must have grabbed the sperm by their tails and slapped them across the face and yelled, "Wake up!!" ...nevermind.

Spoken like a true southern redneck!!!!

Did you post a pedigree?

Nitrex

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:34 pm

There was a mix-up at the juice bank and your dog has Great Dan pups in her! At least half that is....

My vet is a reproduction specialist and she is doing another c-sec the same day, of Bulldog pups!! I said please don't mix them up in the maternity ward!! I mean, how could you tell them apart!?!?

Birddog3412 · Post by **Birddog3412** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:40 pm

She is huge. Ill guess 14 at my chance to win a pup out of possibly one of the best pointer breedings this year!!HAHAHAHA

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:14 pm

10 big Guard Rail pups.

(those are going to be something)

Ron R · Post by **Ron R** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:43 pm

Ross, are these pups more novolties than anything else. $5000 a for a pup that can only eat and poop is rediculouse. Surely, you could find a better performing studdog than him for Sara.

No offense but what I said may sound offensive. It seems You base your whole line on Ko Kane but ignore the fact that she is a Miller bred gyp and focus and promote Guard Rail. Your kennel seems to have no real bloodline, just alot of outcross breedings. My next question is why don't you handle Jack sinse he's your dog. That is the fun for me, without that, the hard work would not seem very gratifying.

Ron

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:21 pm

Ron,

No offense taken. All fair questions and I'll glady answer them.

Ross, are these pups more novolties than anything else. $5000 a for a pup that can only eat and poop is rediculouse.

A lot of people knew about the breeding and we didn't have intentions of selling the pups so I put a high price on them to dissuade any calls.
Remarkably, I have received many requests for the pups at that price. I probably need to raise it.

Surely, you could find a better performing studdog than him for Sara.

I couldn't disagree more. Guard Rail is an incredible producer 42-286-2703 and his motherline is legendary.

It seems You base your whole line on Ko Kane but ignore the fact that she is a Miller bred gyp and focus and promote Guard Rail.

You need to look deeper... 'Girl' is a Guard Rail Daughter. Her dam is Ko Kane. If you believe in 'motherlines' there is no better bred female anywhere. Her topside motherline is Nell's Rambling On and her bottomside motherline is Wiggins Miss sammie. It just doesn't get any better than that.

Next is Sally. She is a Miller's White Powder daughter bred to a Guard Rail Daughter.
Next is Bug. She is a White Powder daughter bred to a Rail Dancer daughter.
Next is Liz. She is a Guard Rail daughter bred to a Go Boy daughter (Nell's Rambling On dbl).
Next is Cissy. She is a Guard Rail daughter bred to a Go Boy daughter (Nell's Rambling On dbl).
Next is Magic. she is a Go Boy daughter bred to a Guard Rail daughter (Nell's Rambling On dbl).

Your kennel seems to have no real bloodline, just alot of outcross breedings.

What?

My next question is why don't you handle Jack sinse he's your dog. That is the fun for me, without that, the hard work would not seem very gratifying.

I bred, raised, trained and broke Jack. I ran him his first year in horseback, NBHA, UBH and even put a NAVHDA NA on him.

I co-own and manage the kennel and co-own the Plantation. I have too many responsibilities here to go on the road. We are however, putting a trial schedule together that will allow me to compete in the SE next year. It's a goal for sure.

Birddog3412 · Post by **Birddog3412** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:27 am

Yawallac wrote:Ron,

No offense taken. All fair questions and I'll glady answer them.

Ross, are these pups more novolties than anything else. $5000 a for a pup that can only eat and poop is rediculouse.

Very impressive how you answered these questions without acting like it got under your skin a little!!

I think it is really alot about what you are into, if you are into dogs, you are going to spend more money on a better bred pup, if your into guns your going to spend $2000 for the big name instead of buying the $500 gun that will do the same thing. My wife would not bat an eye about dropping $500 on a COACH purse but does not understand me spending $500 or more on a pup. It is all about your hobbies are!!

Sure $5000 may be a little steep for a pup, but there probably are not alot of Guard Rail pups going to be born this year, (and from the pic it looks like more than expected) and even less in the future (depending on how much seamon is left on him). But if you look at the prices of pups, $400 - $600 for average, $750 plus for a pup out of a champion sire, $1000 plus for a pup out of a champoin sire and dam, Guard Rail is in the Hall of fame so shouldnt his pups be priced higher

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:48 am

I think there was only 3 straws of Guard Rail Juice before Ross was able to get a hold of one. They may be worth 5k. They're worth whatever someone will pay for him. For some folks 5k isn't a lot. Takes me a week to decided if I can throw 500 into a dog

.

I'm glad you're trying to hang on to some Ross. I will be fun to watch what you do with them.

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:04 am

12 Volt Man wrote:I think there was only 3 straws of Guard Rail Juice before Ross was able to get a hold of one. They may be worth 5k. They're worth whatever someone will pay for him. For some folks 5k isn't a lot. Takes me a week to decided if I can throw 500 into a dog .

I'm glad you're trying to hang on to some Ross. I will be fun to watch what you do with them.

Only a week? Heck it is like a year long save my lunch money the wife lets me have... And only if I rat hole the stuff! She found my stash a few months ago... So she is going to punish me and take herself on a Cruise! I had enough for two people......................I didn't have enough for me to go.....

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:35 am

Start counting!!

MARKB · Post by **MARKB** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:41 am

From what I can tell 13 ????

WOW !!

birdogg42 · Post by **birdogg42** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:42 am

Holy $h!t! That gave me a headache before i got done!!!! Just tell us!

11-12?

wems2371 · Post by **wems2371** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:44 am

First time I've ever seen one of these, but 15?

up-hunter · Post by **up-hunter** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:06 am

holy crap i'm going with 14 pups as that seems to be her number. You better start making more kennels if your growing them all out.

up-hunter · Post by **up-hunter** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:09 am

ross are you going to go with the c-section, either way i wish good luck to sara and all those pups.

1doogie · Post by **1doogie** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:29 am

WOW!!! I'm thinking 13!

Birddog3412 · Post by **Birddog3412** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:35 am

I am staying with 14

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:00 pm

Here is the full size version. I'm seeing more spines!

http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/s ... llsize.jpg

Craig, elective c-sec on Tuesday.

CherrystoneWeims · Post by **CherrystoneWeims** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:15 pm

I see 13 skulls but my bet is on 14 as there are usually more than you can actually see on the xray!!

Ron,

I think Ross's breeding program is speaking for itself with his dogs doing well in FT's and NAVHDA!! From seeing his dogs and talking with him he has goals and is well on his way to achieving them. Ross is a VERY hard worker on the plantation. He is busy from sun up to sundown. It would be very hard for him to be able to manage the place and train dogs if he were out on the FT circuit.

Post by **ezzy333** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:20 pm

I think there are at least 15 showing but several look quite small. Thats more than I would have guessed but hope they all are ok and growing but be prepared to have a few runts at birth.

Ezzy

GrayDawg · Post by **GrayDawg** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:11 pm

I'm counting 12 skulls & 12 spines...........

So I'm saying 12 !!!!

Rob

Ron R · Post by **Ron R** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:56 pm

CherrystoneWeims wrote:I see 13 skulls but my bet is on 14 as there are usually more than you can actually see on the xray!!

Ron,

I think Ross's breeding program is speaking for itself with his dogs doing well in FT's and NAVHDA!! From seeing his dogs and talking with him he has goals and is well on his way to achieving them. Ross is a VERY hard worker on the plantation. He is busy from sun up to sundown. It would be very hard for him to be able to manage the place and train dogs if he were out on the FT circuit.

Ross is a class act and has great dogs, I never questioned that. He is also a great breeder and trainer.

Congtats on all those pups

Ron