Perdigrees and Trialing

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:46 am

I know it is goofy, but I just finished the pedigree for my dogs, and had to brag, for some goofy reason little things like this I am very proud of. Chloe is the pup I am getting from Joe Amatulli, after waiting over a year looking for the right pup, and Kickstand is a dog we were helping sell, and I couldnt do it so I bought him because he is everything in a dog I could ever want. He is my starter for trialing. I am pumped because I will be at the NSTRA trial in Colorado on April 18th and 19th, and I am actually nervous as heck about embarassing the dog. I don't care how dumb I may look, but the dog can't help the stupid things im probably going to be doing. ohh well check out the pedigrees in my signatuer below, and let me know what you think. As for the NSTRA trial, anyone else going to be in this neck of the woods that weekend?

gunner · Post by **gunner** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:57 am

Does NSTRA offer stakes for puppies where you are?

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:05 am

I do not believe so. I have asked around and am looking for some type of puppy stake, but I don't believe NSTRA offers one. Atleast not around here anyway.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:23 am

no NSTRA has amatuer stake which is based off the dog not the handler
and then they have novice stakes which again is based off the dog not the handler

then there is open....I would say 95 percent of the trials are open stakes as it is more about a dogs bird finding abilities

Now as for Kickstand

Wes has some extremely nice dogs Blu and JR can lay down a nice job and a couple of J R pups I have seen look like they are going to follow daddies foot steps

So that dog your getting ready to run just may make you look better

just go out and important thing when the dog is on point go in as relaxed as possible when you get amped up that tension goes right to the dog

Good Luck and let us know how it went for you

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:04 am

Thats great to hear about kickstand, and someone who knows his breeding background! He is absolutely amazing to watch. His training was second to none, and he handles as good as anyone could ask for. He is an absolute pleaser and lover, and a bird finding fool.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 am

Jr and Blu both just had the very natural desire to get out there and find birds and make training easy and again from what I have seen in some other of JR pups it looks like he passes that along

I know Wes and for a dog to be on his string they have to have a package worth working with and I have judged Blu and JR nice thing about them is they can flat get out there and as they cover the ground they are using their noses ...you do not see very many birds of at all get by them so yes Wes is selective about what he puts together with the few litters he has

Post by **Sharon** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:15 pm

I'm always nervous at a trial. My friends always tell me that , " The judge is judging your dog. Not you. Your friends may critique your handling skill, but they don't give out ribbons."

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:23 pm

I am definitely nervous about it. The good thing is I have ran and seen exactly what he can do, so i know for a fact that he will be showing ME the way things work. As for people looking at my skills, well lets just say i fall under the started category of human bird dog handlers lol Im not finished yet

But i know i am hooked for life on my dogs and trialing now, and that no matter how good or bad things may get, I know my dogs will never judge me for my errors

Although I do wonder about some of the looks I get when I do something wrong or miss a shot on a bird. I get the " If I would have known you would miss that bird, I would have just jumped on him" Look.

As for trialing on a serious note though I am super excited, and can't wait to do it.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:56 pm

I know those looks

and a judge should be judging your dog

but you will learn about them dreaded handler mistakes

Good luck

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:24 pm

As for the other pup, I can't wait to see what she turns into. Training her is going to be a blast im sure!

dmadis8 · Post by **dmadis8** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:26 pm

So you are the one that bought Kickstand! I saw him for sale and was trying to get a friend of mine to buy him. I will be running in my first trial next weekend so I cant offer any help there, but I wish you the best of luck!

Oh and congrats on your new dog. You seem a little excited...as you should be. lol

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:36 pm

Are you going to be doing the trial down by Colo. Springs?

gunner · Post by **gunner** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:36 pm

Whoa, already...hold the glibberish a minute. Like you said ... pretty goofy.

This is a puppy right? How old? You're going to compete against mature dogs with a puppy?

Has it even been introduced to gunfire?

Jeezee.....

postoakshorthairs · Post by **postoakshorthairs** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:46 pm

I understand he is getting a puppy but has purchased an adult dog to run in trials.

dmadis8 · Post by **dmadis8** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:43 am

postoakshorthairs wrote:I understand he is getting a puppy but has purchased an adult dog to run in trials.

I am pretty sure thats what he was talking about. Kickstand is about 2 or 3, dont remember off hand, but he is old enough to run with the big boys.

I will probably go watch it. Watching these trials and talking with all the folks is lot of fun!

Post by **ezzy333** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:41 am

gunner wrote:Whoa, already...hold the glibberish a minute. Like you said ... pretty goofy.

This is a puppy right? How old? You're going to compete against mature dogs with a puppy?

Has it even been introduced to gunfire?

Jeezee.....

Jeezee, you need to go back and read the whole thread. I do that too many times also, see some comment and jump in before really reading.

Ezzy

gunner · Post by **gunner** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:51 am

I did exactly that several times. It made less sense each time I read it and the responses it brought.

We appreciate your monitoring skills. Jeeesh

Post by **kninebirddog** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:28 am

it is a little confusing as but the GSP is the puppy from joe ..he was wondering if there were any puppy stakes in NSTRA

kick stand is a started dog he was supposed to help sell but ended up keeping
and he is getting ready to run his first NSTRA trial with Kickstand
kickstand is a setter from wes barr kennels in texas which i know the sire and grandsire

did that catch you up to speed

Joe Amatulli · Post by **Joe Amatulli** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:51 am

Oh wow you mean I just traveled 2000 miles for nothing.

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:15 am

Kickstand will be my NSTRA dog, and Chloe since she comes from a big running line will more than likely be getting into some puppy stakes, then field trials once she is ready for it.

Russmill84 · Post by **Russmill84** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:37 am

Well Joe I wish you were here! I could use a little of your expertise around here.

scott townsend · Post by **scott townsend** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:44 am

Russmill84 wrote:Kickstand will be my NSTRA dog, and Chloe since she comes from a big running line will more than likely be getting into some puppy stakes, then field trials once she is ready for it.

Russ, trust me, you want/need all the run you can get to compete in NSTRA. But along with that you will also need control.
The main thing to keep in mind when you are first getting into the NSTRA stuff is go out there and don't worry about what anyone else is thinking.Handle your dog,play the field like you would play a chess match. And when the brace is over think about what you may or may not have done different.
As you go through the process of getting started in any dog venue go at it with an open mind and you absolutly have to make adjustments. Be them in your training, breeding or purchasing a new dog.
Keep in mind that every person you are running against, the judges, the field marshal,and the trial chairman all started just like you are. Nobody forgets that, you will make mistakes, just as they all made mistakes. Learn from them and make your adjustments.
I don't care how good of a handler you are or how good your dog is, you are gonna loose at this more then you win at it.
It is a game that seems to turn people on that are really competitive. But it also a game that drives people away that don't seem to handle getting beat well. It is not just about the dog in these trials. It is about you and your dog. You can get him beat just as well as he (your dog)can get you beat. So I quess it does become somewhat a bit personal when you get beat, knowing that you may be the one(not your dog) that failed that 30 or 60 mins.If you are the type of person that enjoys that heads up type competition, it will grow on you to the point of addiction.Sell the house ,sell the wife, I have got to buy another dog. LOL
Have fun.

Neil Mace · Post by **Neil Mace** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:51 pm

Trust me,

If they judged the handler and not the dog, I would never place one.

Don't worry about embarrassing the dog, he will just be happy to be out there, he won't know and wouldn't care if he did, how well you do.

If only we were as accepting of mistakes as our dogs,

Neil

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