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stud horse at an FT
Can u ride a stud horse at a FT?
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Some trials will flat out not allow stallions.
Even where its not stated as a rule, its usually frowned upon.
Even where its not stated as a rule, its usually frowned upon.
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You do need to ask the field chairman but even though there are people who know how to keep a stud under good control and manners even if there is a mare in estrus it still presents as a possible dangerous scenario...
It is no fun picking up a rider off the ground with hoof prints on their backside from a stallion that tried to mount their horse at an event.
It is no fun picking up a rider off the ground with hoof prints on their backside from a stallion that tried to mount their horse at an event.
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Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.original mngsp wrote:Some trials will flat out not allow stallions.
Even where its not stated as a rule, its usually frowned upon.
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The club that is working hard, providing volunteer labor, transporting and planting birds, providing food and beverages, paying expenses to get good qualified judges, driving dog wagon, etc so the event is fun and successful for the club, participants, judges, gallery and anyone else that is there.Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.
I hope you get the point.
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Not to mention paying higher and higher insurance premiums because of liability issues associated with equine activities.original mngsp wrote:The club that is working hard, providing volunteer labor, transporting and planting birds, providing food and beverages, paying expenses to get good qualified judges, driving dog wagon, etc so the event is fun and successful for the club, participants, judges, gallery and anyone else that is there.Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.
I hope you get the point.
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If the trial clubs aren't liable for accidents that occur on the grounds then why would their insurance be high.
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I figured that would be the case, and understand. We've got enough mares and geldings around that its not really an issue. I was just curious.
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Just becuase everyone signs or is told the club isn't liable, doesn't mean it isn't very wise to carry insurance....alot of times signed waivers and disclaimers aren't worth the paper they are written on, especially in this sue happy world. State owned trial grounds or third party owned grounds may require clubs to carry insurance to insure that land owners aren't held liable. Is it not wise to protect, with another layer, the fine folks that allow us to enjoy what we love to do ?bigsugar wrote:If the trial clubs aren't liable for accidents that occur on the grounds then why would their insurance be high.
Common sense unfortunately in this day and age.
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This comment really surprises me.Brushbustin Sporting Dogs wrote:Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.original mngsp wrote:Some trials will flat out not allow stallions.
Even where its not stated as a rule, its usually frowned upon.
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Man you ever see a stud hoss go for a mare in season? Aint no stopping him. I never have seen anyone that can train a stud hoss to be on good behavior in this situation, they go nutso. Heck I recall a stud hoss Dad had almost tore me apart just trying to clean his stall. Was in a stall made of bridge plank..... Now if someone wants to throw a leg over one, I dont want to be there.Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.
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One of the nicest field trial horses I've seen is a stallion and he is rode at A lot of trials every year. A pro rides him and he is nice!! I won't say his name as you all think its a horrible thing and would prob call for him to be hung.
To answer the original question. Yes you can ride a stud horse at a field trial. There are NO rules against it.
Some people just over react. If I had a stud that I knew I could ride in a trial because I had done it time after time, how could someone honestly tell me I could ride him when I knew well and good I could. Guess I still have a Midwest trtain of thought!!!
To answer the original question. Yes you can ride a stud horse at a field trial. There are NO rules against it.
Some people just over react. If I had a stud that I knew I could ride in a trial because I had done it time after time, how could someone honestly tell me I could ride him when I knew well and good I could. Guess I still have a Midwest trtain of thought!!!
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Doesn't matter what kind of sign you put up or print on your premium or put in your ad. The club can get sued. My club was sued because someone fell off a horse after tack failure on a wrangler's horse. Wasn't a heck of a lot of fun for the FT committee, the BOD, officers, or anyone who had to mess with the attorneys.bigsugar wrote:If the trial clubs aren't liable for accidents that occur on the grounds then why would their insurance be high.
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I have never seen a field trial premium that forbid stud horses on the grounds, and I have never heard of an AKC or AF rule stating that they were not allowed. I have seen studs being ridden at more than a few trials, and they caused a lot fewer problems than your typical mare in heat.
What would a club do if their judge rode up to the line on a stud?
What would a club do if their judge rode up to the line on a stud?
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I have seen ads with the caveat being "no studs allowed in the gallery". I dont see a problem either way, leave it up to the clubs discretion really.
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In Kansas you cannot be held liable for accidents occuring in an equestrian event when it is directly caused by a horse. You still had better have disclaimers stating the KS statute, still you need insurance to pay for litigation that is always a threat! Heck I canceled my trial this spring due to finances being in the crapper just think if I wasnt liable for a darn thing but still had to pay a lawyer to defend my innocence. Anyone can sue for anything and you are still on the hook for the expenses incurred, just look at cjonline. There is an on going story about a guy from Colorado that took police on a high speed chase then took a couple hostage then he was arrested. He actually had the balls to sue the couple that he held at gun point! Who do you think are paying their lawyer fees?
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In Kansas you cannot be held liable for accidents occuring in an equestrian event when it is directly caused by a horse. You still had better have disclaimers stating the KS statute, still you need insurance to pay for litigation that is always a threat! Heck I canceled my trial this spring due to finances being in the crapper just think if I wasnt liable for a darn thing but still had to pay a lawyer to defend my innocence. Anyone can sue for anything and you are still on the hook for the expenses incurred, just look at cjonline. There is an on going story about a guy from Colorado that took police on a high speed chase then took a couple hostage then he was arrested. He actually had the balls to sue the couple that he held at gun point! Who do you think are paying their lawyer fees?
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You can't ride one at the Nationals at Ames.wannabe wrote:I have never seen a field trial premium that forbid stud horses on the grounds, and I have never heard of an AKC or AF rule stating that they were not allowed. I have seen studs being ridden at more than a few trials, and they caused a lot fewer problems than your typical mare in heat.
What would a club do if their judge rode up to the line on a stud?
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That dosen't mean you cant get sued, frankly, that language in an ad or premiun means very littlebigsugar wrote:If the trial clubs aren't liable for accidents that occur on the grounds then why would their insurance be high.
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Then why do clubs even put it in the ad.
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bigsugar wrote:Then why do clubs even put it in the ad.
Insurance says they have to put it in the add.... they just hope that someone doesn't know any better.
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Just because there is a disclaimer, or a rider signs some kind of release, doesn't mean they can't start proceedings against a club and its officials. That means getting a lawyer, doing depositions, and all kinds of drama. It's a pain in the rear, and expensive, even if the case gets thrown out later. Look at it like the contraindications or warnings on a medication. If it warns of say, liver damage, and you get liver damage, can the drug company say, well we warned you, and now it's on you? Nope. They still get sued.
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To fool folks that dont know any betterbigsugar wrote:Then why do clubs even put it in the ad.
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Yes you can get sued even with the ad. Come on most of us know how this works. The lawyer sues everyone hoping that at least one sticks and he gets paid. Look at the fair ground accident this last year at the sugarland concert. They are sueing everyone including Sugarland.
I coached pop warner football for many years and was told that when being involved in any activities that you have any responsibility at you should care a liability insurance in the case of being sued. You can normally get this insurance through whoever your house is insured through. it really isn't much more a year and it can cover you up to 1 mil I think. I know I still carry the personal liability for myself and my wife. With her being a nurse, you never know what someone will try. She is covered though the hospital but it doesn't cover personal claims.
Something to check into if you are part of a club that holds trials and you help with them. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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I coached pop warner football for many years and was told that when being involved in any activities that you have any responsibility at you should care a liability insurance in the case of being sued. You can normally get this insurance through whoever your house is insured through. it really isn't much more a year and it can cover you up to 1 mil I think. I know I still carry the personal liability for myself and my wife. With her being a nurse, you never know what someone will try. She is covered though the hospital but it doesn't cover personal claims.
Something to check into if you are part of a club that holds trials and you help with them. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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Re: stud horse at an FT
AKC does not have regulations regarding stud horses.
American Field does. You can't ride a stud horse at a AF event. They actually are the smart group.
Yes there are some studs that either have never been bred, or ones that are bred under control in one place at their barn, that are great rides at field trials.
Like some have said, You are not going to stop a stud if he has his mind to mount a mare in season. 2000 pounds of hormones.
American Field does. You can't ride a stud horse at a AF event. They actually are the smart group.
Yes there are some studs that either have never been bred, or ones that are bred under control in one place at their barn, that are great rides at field trials.
Like some have said, You are not going to stop a stud if he has his mind to mount a mare in season. 2000 pounds of hormones.
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As an insurance agent, you are correct sir.jcbuttry8 wrote:Yes you can get sued even with the ad. Come on most of us know how this works. The lawyer sues everyone hoping that at least one sticks and he gets paid. Look at the fair ground accident this last year at the sugarland concert. They are sueing everyone including Sugarland.
I coached pop warner football for many years and was told that when being involved in any activities that you have any responsibility at you should care a liability insurance in the case of being sued. You can normally get this insurance through whoever your house is insured through. it really isn't much more a year and it can cover you up to 1 mil I think. I know I still carry the personal liability for myself and my wife. With her being a nurse, you never know what someone will try. She is covered though the hospital but it doesn't cover personal claims.
Something to check into if you are part of a club that holds trials and you help with them. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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I used to ride a stallion for about 5 yrs field trialing, even had ppl tell me he wasn't a stud and I never had an issue with him and mares because he knew the time and the place wasn't at a trial it was at home. Had he ever made a move in the yrs I rode him he would of been gelded asap. I've seen others ride and still riding stallions at trials and their is never a problem becuase they know there is a time and a place and trials aren't the place. I used to ride with and beside lots of mares in season and I've seen these others do the same. NO PROBLEM. I'm not saying just anyone/everyone needs to do this. Heck a couple years ago I had a gelding that I'd had for a couple years start acting up all the sudden took him in and he had a retained testicle. Took him in had him gelded "for real". When I say he was acting up all he was doing was snorting and screaming cause there was about 5 mares at that trial and in season but I didn't let him get away with any of it and he still rode beside them mares all weekend.
It's been done, and is still being done. I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I totally understand the insurance and club issues with it.
I'm told that it's in the rule books now that NO stallions are supposed to ridden at a trial. I don't have any newer rule books and don't ride and mess with stallions and mares anymore so haven't made it a point to check it out in the books.
Just know all studs aren't renegades and do have manners around mares and fillies in season.
It's been done, and is still being done. I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I totally understand the insurance and club issues with it.
I'm told that it's in the rule books now that NO stallions are supposed to ridden at a trial. I don't have any newer rule books and don't ride and mess with stallions and mares anymore so haven't made it a point to check it out in the books.
Just know all studs aren't renegades and do have manners around mares and fillies in season.
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Re: stud horse at an FT
Maybe so, the horses I handled were TBs not the showy walkers I see at the trials so maybe they do act a bit different. Our hosses were high bred race horses out of seattle slew lines (X factor from nasrullah line, bold ruler, secratariat etc). Had stalls made from bridge plank to hold em. Look up Pug's Hart he was our stud. I would never wish to be on his back if any mare was close and in season, I gots scars......Just know all studs aren't renegades and do have manners around mares and fillies in season
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markj wrote:Man you ever see a stud hoss go for a mare in season? Aint no stopping him. I never have seen anyone that can train a stud hoss to be on good behavior in this situation, they go nutso. Heck I recall a stud hoss Dad had almost tore me apart just trying to clean his stall. Was in a stall made of bridge plank..... Now if someone wants to throw a leg over one, I dont want to be there.Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.
I ran an breed quarter horses for years and you can stop a stud horse but you better know what the freak your doing or someone could get hurt.
Its better to just not risk it at all. No reason too.
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Dang, everything is BIG in Texas...even the horses!hi-tailyn wrote: 2000 pounds of hormones.
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The onyl studs I have seen at field trials acted like complete idiots when tied up to a trailer or stakeout. Granted I haven't seen any other than that, but man - why would you risk it?
We have done something with nothing for so long we are now qualified to do everything with anything....
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Brushbustin Sporting Dogs wrote:Seriously!! What right would a host club have to tell me what I can ride.original mngsp wrote:Some trials will flat out not allow stallions.
Even where its not stated as a rule, its usually frowned upon.
I think it might be for safety reasons incase a mare is in heat or something and they dont want anybody to get hurt or somebodys are accidently prego
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