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bwjohn

it sounds like you need to start whoa breaking or teaching him not to chase. I think you have the best situation, your dog points at first scent it sounds like. know you just have to teach the obedience to hold point and some of that will come with age. But you need to find a way to correct him when...

bwjohn

Maybe let her catch and play with a few quail to get her really excited about birds. I say quail b/c they are smaller and would pose less of chance to scare her. After she starts to get really excited about birds then you could return to the launchers. To help with the pointing instinct, watch her b...

bwjohn

how old?

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bwjohn

no need to pay for birds in or, unless you want phez. and i am sure there some places to find wild phez.
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bwjohn

all of the above will be possible. look me up when you get out here, would be glad to help you out.

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bwjohn

congrats. don't stop at forest grouse, there is some great hunting not far east of bend for chukars, huns and california quail. great state for bird hunting, i believe. where did you get your dog from? I would be happy to meet you in eastern oregon next year for a hunt. made the trip last year and h...

bwjohn

maple,

20 birds a day, that is a good day for anywhere.

are you in the coal fields of southern WV?

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bwjohn

I think the bird is the whoa command, if that makes since. Start with a lot of stop to flush work, teaching the dog every time the bird is in the air he stops. from that point on you can start making the corrections when a bird flies off during a pointing drill. You can add the whoa command toward t...

bwjohn

thanks for sharing, really enjoyed looking at the pics.

Are the Pheasants wild or are they on a game farm?

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bwjohn

admittedly i know do not have a garmin or personally trial. train with people that do quite often and attend trials. So, my question is coming from someone who not may know the finer details of rules or operation of the garmin. Does the Garmin have a silent mode? If so, I think it is customary to gi...

bwjohn

Ray, what clubs run at Amelia?

Also, the Conestoga Vizsla Club runs a trial at Blandfield Plantation. Super nice area and probably 2 hours for you to get there. It is up near Tappahannock.

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bwjohn

my dog responds to any command needed by the tone, just as if I had used one of the other settings. but really do not have to use it very much.

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bwjohn

way jealous, I went looking for the gambles one weekend this year. Didn't have any luck. Really wanted to get some up, dogs had a couple of non productive points, so I think I was in the right area. Hopefully next year I will be able to get one.

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bwjohn

welcome.

always here about the dove hunting in Arg., but is there also upland birds to work with a dog?

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bwjohn

watched the show last night, 50,000 to clone a dog.

bwjohn

e collar is the way to go, just think of it as an extended leash.

I think you are doing the best thing for your young dog. If you have a problem with to many birds, I am sure that plenty of people here will volunteer to help you out with that and I will be the first.

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bwjohn

warning, this is only the beginning. Once you have your own dog this is most addictive sport.

joining here is only one of the signs that you are on the hook!

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bwjohn

How much waterfowl do you plan on doing? If a lot, you may want to look at some of the "Versatile Breeds". I think you can get a Setter to do the retrieves, but if WF is a big part of your hunting you may want to get something a little more accustomed to that kind of hunting.

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bwjohn

don, at 6 mos, I would think this dog is past the chasing stage and you can work on the dog not chasing. that is my reasoning for cc the dog to the launcher. I agree if the dog starts to smell it, and you can tell that by knowing your dog, then you should pop the bird. He doesn't necessarily have to...

bwjohn

looks like beautiful country.

I am clueless about how hunting works there, so forgive me if I ask a simple question. But how does it work there? Do you have public land that you can hunt or do you have to pay for everything? Game preserves etc.

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bwjohn

she was just getting her camo on for the hunt.

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bwjohn

I wouldn't let the dog get any closer to the trap than were it points. So, cc him towards the launcher, when he points, let slack go in the cc. When the dog starts to break point, pop the bird and restrain the dog from chasing with the cc. It is a bad situation to let a young dog get real close to a...

bwjohn

that could be changed over pretty easy. put a door to get back in with a landing area on it. then make some small areas along the back wall for nesting and roosting. that is about it. check craigs list and local papers for pigeons. You could also look up a pigeon racing group, I know there is a grou...

bwjohn

i think it depends on where you are in training. You want the dog to see the bird fly away, for the most part, if it is teathered to the pvc then it never sees that. the pvc is for later when a dog is very close to broke and you want to really tempt him by keeping the bird there. I think the cardboa...

bwjohn

the 409 does not include the collar. with collar it was 539.

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bwjohn

I questioned b/c if it was a Versatile breed, then you should expect them to be interested in fur. I think even with the ep/es it still happens. I think you have good advice just ignore it and move on. Much in the same way you would with a trash birds. I tell my dogs to leave it when they point a tr...

bwjohn

what breed do you have?

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bwjohn

great day, looks like a very nice gun. what is it?

hopefully, i will make it up there next weekend myself!

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bwjohn

not much in that area for wild birds, not for sure about clubs.

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bwjohn

not an expert with pigeons!!

but I think that you just start with short distances and just start building farther and farther away on the route that you will go home. it is a little bit of a process, but it is much cheaper in the long run.

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bwjohn

I see one of two options: 1) just use the web and check out the places were you are traveling to and call them to see if they do carry it. websites are not always the most up to date, so just call ahead. 2) just buy extra and take it with you. this is what I do, you never know what might happen when...

bwjohn

idaho is hard to beat for a mixed bag, but MT can give you sharptails, huns and pheasants, relatively in the same area. the western part of ND, could probably do the same as well. Hunted Idaho my self a couple of weeks ago and had good chukar and hun numbers and some valley quail as well. this late ...

bwjohn

do you train your dog to stop to flush? If a dog flushes a bird, which all dogs will at some point, if you have done stop to flush work then I feel fine shooting the bird. but I still want the dog to stop running and watch the bird and mark it down, if lucky enough to hit it. I have a young dog know...

bwjohn

there is a vizsla club just north of you in atlanta, that is fairly active in doing ft's. You could check them out when they have their next trial and see what you think. I know they just had one the Thanksg week.

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bwjohn

still trying to decide that, working out the details. looking at a couple of days in Or and a couple in Id.

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bwjohn

pics are great, but that is not what I wanted to hear. I am on my way up next week to hunt.

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bwjohn

really cool

bwjohn

the trial is in Elberta Utah, about 15 minutes from Santaquin. I think that it is 11/12 and 11/13, mostly horseback, I believe that there is a walking puppy. check out gspcu.com should be able to find more details there. also there is a utah bird dog forum that they post some info about the trial on...

bwjohn

there is a trial in a couple of weeks in utah, attend the trial and make your decision.

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bwjohn

have you done a lot of training with her?

sometimes I think V's over think it and think they are out for training. I think the issue will go away as the season goes on.

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bwjohn

What if you didn't shoot the bird when released from the cage? I do not think that I have ever shot a bird out of a popper house during training. Also, with dizzing the bird, at this point you probably want the dog to catch the bird, so I think this would be a good situation. Know after 3,4 maybe 5 ...

bwjohn

Some of the things that you mention are true of vizslas. Some can take a little longer to get into birds, but I have seen it with other breeds as well. I would say that most V's here are medium ranging dogs on average. I have definitely seen some that can run with the best of them. I have a training...

bwjohn

With all due respect, if I was evaluating that against a pointing dog standard, it wouldn't pass. who made you the keeper of the pointing dog standard? Not all pointing dogs point with a 12 tail. That is purely a something that we have bread for, b/c someone liked at one time and it has become popu...

bwjohn

sage grouse as well, can be a real fun hunt.

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bwjohn

nice. were did you get your v's from?

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bwjohn

I am lucky enough to have the rights to manage a 1500 acre wheat farm with lots of CRP...and if the spring was good on the birds....wild birds for him to get into. Last season the pheasant were everywhere....and now that I am managing the land....I get to control who hunts and how many people I giv...

bwjohn

sounds like you have the makings of a good hunter, just get him under control. the ecollar is a good first start and if you do not know how to use it correctly maybe you could get someone close by to help you. On the hunting this season: I think it is the best thing that you could do, especially if ...

bwjohn

welcome, hear that is a beautiful area that you live in.
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bwjohn

good luck on all accounts.

50 birds that is a big difference from the asheville area, you could hunt all season or two and not see that many birds.

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bwjohn

good lookin' little fellar!

good trainer not far from you if you are looking for help, bruce shaffer, almost heaven gsp's.

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