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Duane M

Pointing is obviously instinctual. I've seen dozens of pups over the years that with no training whatsoever began pointing anything from butterlies to a leaf twitching on the ground as the wind agitated it. Any dog of any breed can be taught to "stand game" meaning to stand without moving when they...

Duane M

HEH HEH we got some common ground I have known Danny since day 1 and always harrass him about getting some work done, good you could get someting outta him. Aside from making sure the feed plots on his bowstands are done that is :wink: . Shockingly enough with my familys history up there I have neve...

Duane M

Tommyboy I have moved over thirty in the Panhandle just a couple of years ago, mixed Bobs and Blues. No need to go to Texas for it. Hunt either Beaver or Optima enough and you learn those grounds well. Better yet get ya few section of private land, much easier. Finding that many coveys is much the s...

Duane M

Ironhorse if ya PM me or email me an addy I will GIVE ya mine free.

Duane M

Anyone ever ask a Purina rep about the Exceed?

Duane M

Must be some Danish blood in them dogs LOL. John thanks for that old pic as someone who works with a man that has been breeding Ch Pointers for 50+ years I always get a kick out of the "the high tail is new" crowd. Cliff has pics from the early 60s showing all high tails on those Pointers and Setters.

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yawwalc, I have never heard claims of "purer" blood-that's ridiculous. The only claim is that the VDD has and will always stick to the versatile agenda. ROTFLMAO at that one, you really should come and watch the DD breeder who has been at the past couple of state DNR seminars I have worked. Talk ab...

Duane M

Mine loves it!!!! She goes to the trials, helps at the kennels with just above everything she can and of course the puppies. She won't catch pigeons or help when we do the dewclaws but that' about it. The biggest point of contention we both agree is that should we ever split up who will get the dogs...

Duane M

Hey Margaret which standard do you want everyone to use? Should they use the DKV, the AKC, the CKC or what. There are several standards I have seen and not a dang one mentions the dogs ability to do it's job. You are the standard worshipper it seems so how about you answer to me what I asked earlier...

Duane M

didn't come to his game properly

Simply meant Wehle felt he was to hard to get broke, according to a man who was there. A trait luckily that was not passed on to his get if it did exist. But you have to ask yourself if Damascus was so bad why was he prefixed??

Duane M

Yep Richard and that is why every major producer from Wehle was from field bred stock, NOT the Euro blood he spent so much money on. Pedigees and win records along with production records show that to be fact. OK guys if this so called symmetry and such leads to supposedly better ability why am I ye...

Duane M

Interesting to hear from over the pond how their dogs work and that their conformation is closer to correct than ours . I have had the oppurtunity to work with EPs from both sides of the pond as well as show EPs, there is no comparing between them and the field bred dogs. The show and Euro dogs have...

Duane M

Blake yep Quail Ridge is a put and take as are most in the state, shoot even Hamms does prereleases. Heres a suprise for ya though the second best day all year long was right here in central OK, aint sayin where though :lol: . Pretty sad state of affairs when I can move more coveys in a day in centr...

Duane M

I never have been to Hamms but have heard good things about them from others. I used to guide at Quail Ridge on occassion and can definitely reccomend them to anyone. Dave is a first class guy who runs a good, honest operation that is actually affordable for folks who want to get a nice half day hun...

Duane M

I know that tail injuries happen, it would be a flat lie to say otherwise. But if you look at many of the pics posted on the links that "support the validity" of the damage done very few are as bad as they are made to sound. The one amputation I looked at appeared to be possibly a PP and the tail wa...

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Yep Gunnah and it aint just in the bruch either the tail action is so animated on some dogs the blood is forced hard enough to the end to make small ruptures.. Funny out of all the EPs I have owned, hunted behind, trialed with and trained never have seen the horror storys of amputations, infections ...

Duane M

Bill thanks for the veranda idea and the pic of yours. I am rebuilding a couple of my houses next spring and will add that in. I fly my JH birds usually but being able to catch a few for launcher work is a hassle, ya know if you have ever tried to catch a bird without that veranda. The barrel houses...

Duane M

Though not a competitor in either venue I have watched both and would have to go with the NSTRA dog.

Duane M

John, Wannabe is on the spot in regards to the protein, but it can be too high. The kidney damage myth has pretty well beeen blown to bits the last several years by Iams, Purina and other feed companies along with OSU vet school. Too much protein is a waste for a dog that does not work hard though a...

Duane M

John I did some researching on BARF myself awhile back, always looking for an edge ya know. I spoke to several breeders both show and performance dogs as well as a feed supplier who sells the premade BARF diets and not a single one either feeds nor reccomends feeding a TOTAL BARF diet. Every one of ...

Duane M

The ditch parrots are absolutely thick near SD numbers in several areas. Many hunters were griping about the dogs wasting time on them at the diner opening day in 27 years hunting there I have never seen them that thick. The quail are good but in all honesty not as good as last years population was,...

Duane M

My thoughts as well Jim. I had a very nice young Pointer a few years back with agression problems and despite working with the dog on the problem he was never good around male dogs, no problem with any females. I ended up selling him to a man who hunted alone and only had a female, he could not beli...

Duane M

:gib:

Thats what scum like that deserves. Sorry pieces of %^$# cowards.

Duane M

markj wrote: What does anyone do for scorpians? I run across them once in awhile.

RAID??

Duane M

Greg I qualified Expert at MCRD on the 800 yard range with the AR so yes it can sure be done, with alot of dope work on the sighting, my comment was on bone stock barrels not modified. The AR was never meant to be a long range round according to my PMI, it was only meant to be a short range, high vo...

Duane M

<Dave Gowdey's comments about drag of race aka drag of breed edited by moderator> Dave ya know I USED to really buy into the drag of the race issue alot more than I do nowdays, experience is what has changed my mind on that one. One example I can give of that is with my own dog Rebel. Reb was bred o...

Duane M

Like Brenda said should work just fine. The last batch I snakebroke I used a Bull snake I caught raiding our pigeon coop. The dogs sure didnt know the difference in what a buzztail smelled like and Bull snake or Copperhead. They all STINK :pukeright:

Duane M

But thoe who go wherre the rattlesnake are and you get the vaccine and your dog goes in and gets bit because you don't think snake avoidance is imortant ..remember those of us who tried and tell you KNINE I think you need to take a chill pill NO ONE has said to not do snake avoidance at all in this ...

Duane M

but a dog accidently running over a snake only recieve dry bites which have minimal vemon Knine that has not been the experience I have seen at all. The latest couple were a dog of Lou Glebers running in a trial in Texas last season and a young Britt down in the SW part of my own state. Lous dog had...

Duane M

While avoidance training is a dang good thing it is not a guarantee in the least. Outside young dogs most snakebites are not due to the dog investigating the snake but due to the dog running over the snake and getting hit on the run. Many snake clinics only break a dog off sight and sound of snakes ...

Duane M

Ditto Greg.

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John ya might buy em but not cheap

. Besides if a deal we are working goes through I may need em for guding with this fall anyway.

Duane M

Dang it someone needs to tell my trial dogs they cant hunt anymore.

:roll:

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Dave I wont get into your preffered method again, we've beat that horse enough. But I will ask again using your way how does a pup learn to actually hunt? BTW I do have another Wolters wonder in ya oughtta see her when ya say whoa even softly, it's truly sad. Fdsjr yes take the dang leash off the pu...

Duane M

As has already been said put the wing up it proves nothing and can sure nuff lead to a dog wanting to use it's eyes more than it's nose if overdone. At this age IMHO the best thing you can do for pup is take them on the walks like you described in your second post. Let him discover the world without...

Duane M

do not know exactly where he is located and your dog points and then catches the bird he is not fetching Toyman notice I said after a well handled bird in my post along with that if the point was not handled well the dog should not be chasing anyways. As to the dog catching a bird that can happen to...

Duane M

On the business of a dog catching an already flushed libby I have to ask what is the big problem? If the dog has handled the point up to the flush well why the concern about them then catching the bird, especially since retreiving seems to be a common problem for some folks. Now if the dog has not h...

Duane M

Much agreed Ryan I have been using pen quail for training for years with little to no problems ever. To be honest till 5 years ago I never used a pigeon at all it was all quail either wild or pen. The key is to use the right breeder for your birds not the cheapest breeder.

Duane M

12 Pointers and a shepard pit bull cross.

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Dave as the old man told me 25 years ago: "When your feeling frustrated or just plain POed go get the puppys and leave the big dogs alone that day. Cant nothin but bad happen to the big dogs and puppys are the best cure for a foul mood." Same man who told me lack of patience has screwed up more dogs...

Duane M

Name: Duane Maness Age: 40 Location: Oklahoma (quail central in other words) Married 19 years to the same great woman Military: USMC 83-86 Hobbies: Nowdays it's just bird dogs and more bird dogs. In my previous life I competed in mixed martial arts tournaments, raced motocross and rode bulls and sad...

Duane M

Hmm interesting I can quote the exact opposite of your cases. Bubba was neutered at 18 months, Belle at 26 months both are lean as any dog you will see, and thats free fed. The last one I had neutered at 6 months, on the old vets advise, had a weight problem even with more exercise than the present ...

Duane M

Knine I think you have the butterball factor reversed, and out of context with reality. By waiting you increase the testosterone and increase muscle mass, according to vets and personal experience, and Greg post as well :wink: . In females as well as males testosterone is crucial to building muscle ...

Duane M

Tak it was not, I REPEAT NOT, a new truck

. Matter of fact it was on the road three years before I was born. Welp I dated myself that time didnt I.

Duane M

I have been driving Nisaans since the late eighties and dont see a change soon. My 02 Frontier has 180,000 and outside the normal timing belt change I have had only one other problem that involved the syncro gear. This truck is off road daily along with lots of highway miles, still has the original ...

Duane M

Dave where the issue of pressure comes in , as you know, is the individual dog. I have had some that were taught sit that had absolutely no problem and never sat while in training, of course the reverse is dogs like the Britt I keep mentioning :wink: . For some dogs just the experience of a checkcor...

Duane M

I'd also note that Delmar Smith falls into the teach them sit category as well as Bob Wehle. Dave where did you get that one from???? Or are you taking it out of context as Bill pointed out was the case with the Wehle example already?? I sure know he never has mentioned it being a command he ever co...

Duane M

Hey there Greg, Tex is doin great matter of fact I am W&S him this summer for the fall season. He had a great year last year on the wild birds, big shock :wink: , heck of a retriever for being Spirit and Snakefoot bred. Now as to this: God reaches down and in one moment takes away all your current d...

Duane M

Bill if you would like a copy of the tape PM me and I will burn a DVD for you. It's two tapes and the sound quality aint the best but it covers all the bases and the old man himself is the one doing it.

Duane M

Most that I've seen staunched that far have shortened up. Many irreparably. WOW Greg I have finished between 70 and 100 to W&S and have yet to see one shorten up, ever. In the trials I run in, NBHA/AFTCA, walking a dog must be W&S to win AND especially in NBHA must run big. If W&S shortens them I wo...

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