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Oh, heck, we know what you were up to. You were sitting in your workshop "miking" things to the tenth, and muttering to yourself. Now you can sit in your den and punch keys instead! And I get to look stuff up online on Westlaw and pretend I know stuff. Much more fun.

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Agreed. The spin on it in the media is that the Supreme Court struck down a law banning "crush videos" as free speech, and that is not what the Court did. Here is from the Court's opinion: Moreover, §48 applies to any depiction of conduct that is illegal in the State in which the depiction is create...

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So you think that dog fights & filming them/showing the video is ok? Because that's what it appears you are doing! No, it is not. The law as written had no boundaries, and as the Court pointed out in its opinion, would have banned hunting videos in municipalities where hunting is illegal (such as W...

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Let me give this to you straight, so you know the risk. If the sock passes, great. However, there is a major risk that it will not pass and that the dog will die painfully of a blocked bowel, or it will cost you about $2,000 for the surgery and the dog makes it, or it will cost you 2 grand for surge...

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I read this thread, and we decided not to enter Spot in the AKC Pointing Dog, not wanting to be embarrassed.

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"Killam" is going to have a bad case of monkey butt. Hayley would laugh at that. I was in Eureka last night, did not get out to the trial grounds just picked up Spot. Flew down. The winds were absolutely fierce yesterday. About 3000' above ground they were in the range of 50 knots from the South. G...

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Well, increasingly my pet peeve is overstocking. One might even use the term "gross overstocking." As in creating courses where an AA needs to run past a few hundred birds to have one find (Eureka comes to mind), or courses where no dog will go without a find unless it has zero nose or bird sense. I...

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Doug raises some really good points. Absolutely all of the wild bird trials in the US that I am aware of are run under American Field rules. You can't have a yellow brick road approach unless someone is putting birds along that road for every brace. AF is more fun anyway, you get to go pretty much w...

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I don't know, maybe I am just so comfortable with the whole owner - dog thing that it is second nature and I don't notice, but I sure don't see this as a dominance issue. Not in my dogs anyway. You need to be able to interpret. Let's say you are at a ballgame, and the guy next to you is a 280 pounde...

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Are you near the grounds where the Prairie Chicken is held, or the Region 17? Those are the only wild bird GSP trials in NE that I know of. What you might consider is volunteering to work with one of those two organizations, so you could get some experience in how a wild bird trial works. If you sen...

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Looking at your username, the land requirements might be somewhat less for a cover dog trial because a foot walked course will cover less ground in an hour than a horseback handled course. But the problem with wild bird trials is to try to guarantee that every dog has a chance at finding wild birds,...

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You need quite alot of contiguous land. How much depends on the specie and the cover, but it is best to have six continuous one hour courses. You would prefer not to have to run over the same course in the morning and then do it again in the afternoon, and then the next day and the next. It pushes t...

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19 hour championship wins. And its per year per dog. An FC will cost you around $5,000 per dog. Good luck have fun.

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While your thoughts are admirable, running a Gun Dog certification on planted birds, especially in the way you describe it, is never realistic and would tell you very little about the qualities of the dogs as hunters. This is because planted birds are not at all like wild birds, and the humans who p...

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If it was straightened out, it was not for quite awhile. I did see that he is listed as the NC on the Ames website, but that was not the case for the first year or two after his win.

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I don't recall an Ames National Champion ever being disqualified, I don't have any idea what would happen. I don't remember the number, maybe 39 or even higher, but some large number of Championships are going to be voided if they don't get the DNA right. That will shake things up. It was in a rece...

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I put a call in to the Field on the question of whether an RU Ch. results in the title CH. on the pedigree, it was my understanding that it does and others think it does not. No, it does not result in the title RU CH. on the ped., but I don't think the FDSB cares if the Championship title was a Ch. ...

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In AF trials, In rare instances when the judges feel they have not seen a performance worthy of the title of Champion, the stake is converted to a regular stake and three placements (not four) are awarded. AKC does four placements for its regular stakes, AF does three. So, for example, an AF All Age...

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Lots of water on the course. Not doing the usual three continuous courses, more of a loop out and back starting on course 1, using part of course 3 and finishing back on 1. Things are going very smoothly. Weather forecast has been for rain, but it has held off and temps have been just about ideal. H...

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She looks all business to me.

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I have a .22 K Hornet. I found some German factory loads and was shooting them just before the gun was made into a K. Don't remember exactly what the group was, but it was under a tenth. All the bullets in one hole. Never done it before and probably won't again. When I use my rifles it is for varmin...

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Let em know you would come. They always worry about making entries, then when they hold that trial they are full to the gills. I would imagine it will depend on whether Keith and Dennis go with Keith's dogs.

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It always "might not be held." They will probably be at Boonevile canvassing the pros to see who will come, and if they get enough support it will be held. That's the way it has been in the past.

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Well then, if you see any honey nut roasted peanuts anywhere it wasn't my fault.

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We're coming. Tell Nancy I will be armed. Unfortunately there is some rain in the forecast.

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Really easy to lose them in that mesquite.

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We tend to get into big family groups in the early season, maybe it is just a difference in where we hunt. We get into the smaller groups of 1-3 also, but in an area where you find one of those, you will generally find more within about a quarter mile, as though a family group has really spread out ...

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The best test, especially for crowning a "Nat'l Ch", is putting 'em down in country with native game planted by their own whims and see how it shakes out...and yes, it can be done, there are places to do it, we do it every year. Amen. Planted bird trials are mostly what we have though, you can crit...

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The running order is AA, Futurity, ASD then OSD. The AA is usually Thur. and Fri. The Futurity runs over the weekend. The ASD usually starts on Monday. And you boys just go ahead and whine. I like the place. :D I'm thinkin' its better than running on a course that has so many planted birds that a do...

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Good point. Although, I can never seem to get reloaded fast enough! Since you hunt out there you probably know this, but for those that don't. You must not take a single step after you take the first shot. Open the gun and reload before moving at all. Sometimes the "snick" of the gun opening will s...

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Its a good question and not a simple question to answer. As has been mentioned, Gun Dog is an AKC term and Shooting Dog an AF term. The difference between the two types of dogs is really a culture difference between the types of trials run under the umbrella of the two separate organizations, and be...

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That brings up a good point. Having a really broke dog that does not go on the flush or shot can be a help. Sometimes the birds do all go on the flush, but chickens are not a true covey bird like quail, they are more of a "group" bird. There will be a group of them in a confined area, and most will ...

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Alot of the ruffed grouse guys here, go out to the prairies to train during the summer, or at least go out for the sharptail opener. Tune up for the dogs. The young of the year sharptail hold well in the early part of the season. Just remember it can be really hot, bring lots of water for you and th...

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Nah. I feel for you guys out there, it is alot tougher to get into wild birds than it used to be from what I hear. But it is tougher here too.

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Technically, Doug, you are not in the prairies, you are in the high plains and platte lands for the most part, that's where you start to get foothills and junipers. But it is alot like the shortgrass prairie, just hillier. Great land to hunt, I don't have to tell you that, and who cares how it is cl...

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Hunting for the native prairie species is best at the beginning of the season. To find the birds you have to throw away everything you know about hunting upland birds from the East Coast. They are not pheasants or ruffed grouse, they have existed on the prairies for a very long time and are comforta...

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Yes, the results have been published in the Field and those are them. Eldon and Hayley. By the way, Tim, congratulations on your great win at Eureka. I can't begin to tell you how tickled I was to see Pat do that. So now he has handled both the NGSPA and the GSPCA National Champion. And you will hav...

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Congratulations Robbi, great job as usual.

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Dave's right, there are a ton of different ways to get an FC on a dog, and they are not all equal. Course and grounds, club that runs the trial, judges they pick all factor into the quality of the stake the dog won. In the old old days the stakes were walking, into the 80's there were lots of bird f...

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You can go online at akc.org, go into their online store, and get a record of all the dog's wins, which includes the name of the club and the stake. It will tell you if they were walking trials or not, and if you know clubs and the style of trial they like to run, you will know that by the club name.

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The GSP Chronicle also periodically publishes the standings. Getting the Chronicle requires paying a subscription fee, I think it is $25, which is pretty small. The Field is worth getting for anyone who loves bird dogs, and it is not much either. As luck would have it the standings were just publish...

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I thought he had. My mistake. Well, he is certainly capable of it.

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No, the NGPDA winner is not an NFC. NFC is a GSPCA/AKC title and stands for National Field Champion. AKC uses that nomenclature because they also have Show Champions (which get the title CH). So the "Field" part of the NFC title tells you what type champion it is. There are no show championship titl...

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Purina has sponsered a GSP Handler of the Year award for several years running. It was not very well publicized except among the professional handlers (although the program is not limited to professional handlers). The winner gets a Handler of the Year ring, I have seen them and they are really nice...

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Your list in your first post are all the field trial pedigree titles except there is no "NSDC." The Field Dog Stud Book (American Field) puts only the title "Ch." on the pedigree, so there is no NSDC. That is true even for the winner of Ames. FDSB lists numbers of wins on the peds, not titles. So in...

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There are lots of different definitions of style and intensity. I hunted once over a dog that lay down on point and brought tears to my eyes because of the beauty of it, and there was another old dog guy there that felt the same way. I have told the story before and won't repeat it. But generally, i...

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Here is a 9. A 10 if you are a shorthair person: http://www.gundogforum.com/album/d/11855-2/Spot+Reduced+2.jpg Here is my personal choice for a 10. May we all be so lucky as to have one of these: http://www.amesplantation.org/images/field-trial/2005%20National%20Championship/Cypress-Gunpowder-2005-c...

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When you talk to dog men about when the right time is to start to train a dog, what you will hear is that you should start working with them at about 7 or 8 weeks on birds, that one year is not too late to start them, and that at two years its "never too late." That is a nice way of saying that it c...

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The NGPDA is a stand alone championship organization, in other words it is not part of the NGSPA or the GSPCA/AKC structure. You need to contact the NGPDA organizers to get specific information, until they publish their ad in the American Field. Then you can get it from the ad. The ad should come ou...

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This whole thread makes me feel terrible. On the one hand we have a new person very proud of a nice young pup, and we have a breeder who believes he has done the right things. I have hunted over alot of different kinds of dogs, including crosses and breeds that one would not consider to be pheasant/...

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