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WiskeyJaR

has anyone tried useing the "click and treat" method with the FF method? Not sure if Im making things worse for the future or not, but I have started to use a clicker when doing the FF training. I have a small clicker I place in me hand that is holding the bumper. Once Dutchess has done what I ask, ...

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Westend Kennels is putting on a Snake Aversion Training session sponsored by the P.N.W. chapter of NAVHDA on AUG 10th.
http://www.pnwnavhda.com/
Click on the snake aversion link has the contact info.

WiskeyJaR

Thanks Don, I use the same type hold as soon, I use finger nails. Am on floor, will try the table see if that works.

WiskeyJaR

Understand the force...and do use force. Its a battle almost every time. If I dont use force at all, she will respond to command.....just at her own time. When using force, the battle gets to the point of me holding her down by neck and ear as she is trying to bite and pull away, battle is pretty in...

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Dutchess is at the stage where she is learning to reach for the bumpers now. The thing is, if I have ahold of her collar and ear, she fights and pulls trying to get away. If I let go of her ear she is calm and sits calmly waiting for command. When I place the bumper at her feet and command "Get It" ...

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Rockllews, GVHRC is full of good folks. Stan is the trianing coordinator for the club. This has been my frist summer working with them, have helped me out lots.

WiskeyJaR

Romeo it was more a matter of time then anything I did. She still runs with head lower then most, but at least it is no longer on the ground. I ran her in fields with taller grass, that seemed to help some, as she had to keep lifting head to see. She also seems to track in closer then most before sh...

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Here is the link to Green Valley Hunt and Retriever Club http://www.gvhrc.com/
Good folks there, have been helping me out lots.

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You can try Stan Zorn, he is out of eugene. He has a setter himself. Good man, knows his stuff for sure.

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wheres the birdie spa? The a heck of a bird house for sure.

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Great Pics Dennmor, thanks for sharing. He coming along looking good, how's the point...flush on command going? Dutchess would love to be able to "flush" the birds. She has this idea that anything with feathers needs a good tenderizing before she brings it to me....lol.

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Did a search "pigeons nesting on floor", didnt find anything. Is this a serious problem? I have 6 nest boxes mounted on wall. Only two nest boxes are being used at moment. I have 2 birds out of 6 that nest on floor. I have a good wire mesh floor across the ground. One nest has 2 half grown chicks on...

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besides....riding on the hitch like that, wouldnt the dog get gassed by the exhaust?

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lol...just like "run away teemagers"...once the weather hits, they all relaise there is no better place then home. Glad they all came back

WiskeyJaR

When I started me loft had 10 birds, got down to just 4 birds. I would let the four fly around house, has been a couple of nights they did not return to loft till after dark. I leave the recall hole open, with the bobs, sometimes they will hang in the trees untill after dark. They always seem to be ...

WiskeyJaR

I got a deal on tritronics and was wondering what others thought good or bad on the Field 90 G2 for a new trainer? Have read info on the net, and seems simple enough. How is the performance and duribillty?

Thanks folks,
WiskeyJaR

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she points, but not at a distance. I am trying to get her to point further away from bird. When she searches the field, she is ground scenting more then air scenting. When I "plant" the birds, she has been using my own track to run in on the birds. Im trying to get her to do more "air scenting" then...

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unfortantly, no access to farms. Have 3 different fields I use for training, each only 1-3 acres at most. The smallest field is close enough I can use my pigeons and have them return, the other two fields are 30, 45 miles away, birds havnt learned to fly that far yet. The only public lands that woul...

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Had Dutchess out yesterday working birds in a field with 2-3 foot tall grass, was misty rain, grass was wet. The problem I had is no matter how I tried to walk the edge of the field, before entering field to plant bird, Dutchess would always search field till she found my path then run path into bir...

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If I could go back and start over knowing what I know now..... 1st; Start with a younger pup, got Dutchess at 5 months. 2nd; Ild read more training books before I started. I think my biggest problem being a frist time trainer, was watching others and thinking "heck thats easy, I can train my own dog...

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I have a year old L.M. me frist one. I think she is a great dog, Im new to training so she isnt proablly where she could be as far as hunting style and such. I have ran her with a couple of nice setters in "training" and she tends to range closer then they did, but again, this was Dutchess's frist t...

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Bitter Apple has worked for me in the past with some chewers, all except me dingo, she seemed to crave the Britter Apple stuff. lol

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Mikey, When I frist enter a field with Dutchess, as I release her from my side I ask her to "Show me where they are" and then I send her out. If I need to tug on CC I'll say something then, other wise Im letting her work the field. When I am working in the yard, I'll tend to talk to her more. As far...

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WOW....nice work. REAL NICE WORK

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BluffCountryOutdoors, I use the word "steady" when Dutchess is on point. I use the word Steady instead of whoa....just personal peference is all. I do tug on the CC if she is moving and such. I try not to be verbal unless I have too. I will give the CC a tug if Dutchess is pulling. One of the thing ...

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Ezzy333, I hear you about the dog hitting the end of cord and flipping itself. This was more of the man setting his feet and really yanking back hard on a already tight cord. Like he was setting the hook on a world class sturgeon... :roll: He broke the metal clasp I had on end of cord, of course the...

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Had Dutchess out this past weekend training with the local NAVHDA chapter. Was in a field of tall grass. Dutchess started with head down, but as day went on she picked up her head, more to see over grass Im thinking. She found all 3 quail that where planted....she caught the 3rd bird and chopped it ...

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I usally cast/Troll when Im in canoe. I'll cast out, then as the line settles, Ill give a couple strong paddles, then reel in and re-peat. Seems to work fairly well on me local lake trout (shrugs), no pike here, good luck, sounds like a great trip.

WiskeyJaR

I'm willing to talk 'Munsterlanders anytime, not that I know that much, but am learning fast :) Being as Im a frist time trainer, folks here on GDF have been great with training info and such. There are some thing I have noticed that Dutchess does diferent then the "norm", but thats her being a L.M....

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har, with that far running Bodie, ya'll gonna need a horse before long Don.

Nice looking horse PuppyDucks. Just curious, with gas prices nowadays, whats cheaper?....hay or gas?

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Was curious as to the off road abillity, say on logging roads and mild trails?

Thahks,
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they where in the trees near by when I went in house, morning I went out to loft they where inside. Wasnt untill I moved them to a larger loft that I had any birds staying on platform to roost. Now have one bird that half the time will sleep on platform just outside entry hole, and other times he wi...

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my birds did the same thing frist time I let them fly, I had them in loft for 3-4 weeks before turning 'em lose. I left food on entry platform and went to bed. Next morning I had 9 out of 10 birds in loft.

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Don's a good man, helped me get my loft going. Strong flying birds.

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Im in market for me frist e-collar too, have searched for same post, no luck. Im looking for the easiest and most "idiot" proof one out there.

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Welcome to GDF, have a Large Munsterlander me self.Great dogs.

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lifted two bobs, 3 left hanging...seems to have worked for now.

Thanks all,
WiskeyJar

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Hmmm I have two breeding pairs, it seems the two females will go threw bobs but the males seem to be staying outside. Food and water is inside, all the birds are used to bobs, had no trouble using them in old loft. The two males (Im assuming they are the males ) just hang around outside of loft. jus...

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Have switched to a bigger loft, new loft right next to old loft. Birds had been 7-10 days in new loft before letting birds fly for last 4 days. Problem is, I have one pigeon that just will not go into new loft on his/her own. He (no idea male or female)will stay over night on the little entery platf...

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Was up around 99 today, to hot for field work said the dog.

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Looking good Squirt, show the smart aleck Bodie what real style is....

So Don....when is "DONS SETTER TRAINING" starting up in antelope? Them boys sure looked good running threw the brush...when we could see 'em.

I knew Squirt wouldnt be going anywheres

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Have disscussed this over on the "Munsterlander forums" and they say the breed in general tends to run with the nose varying between air and ground. They seem to think with age, she should get more "air nose". Like other have said... the more wild birds she works the better. She usally hunts timber ...

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Did serval searches each came up empty. Is there a sure fire way of telling a male from a female on pigeons?

Thanks
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I have never used gloves or "scent lock" boots, just caught bird with me hands, put in launcher and then placed in field, have tried to bring dog in from a different direction then the way I planted. Will try the gloves and wear me hunting boots, see if that helps any. What breed is the dog you're s...

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are you planting birds? nose to the ground is also a good sign of a dog following you to the bird. yes so far in the bird training it has only been with planted pigeons, never thought about it before, but yes she does seem to follow where I have walked to plant bird. So whats the "fix"? Have some o...

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Had Dutchess out this past weekend with a couple of setters. The setters where catching scent and pointing about twice the distance of my dog. The setters ran with head high catching the scent on the air, Dutchess ran with nose to ground. Was wondering what is the training technique to get the dogs ...

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I was thinking of holding off on the gun training, have already had to take a break due to pup "shutting down", just when she seems interested again in training, they start the construction :| Have a NA test coming up the end of the month, was kinda hoping to have Dutchess at least exposed to the sh...

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the local city is replacing the sewer lines on our street. The noise they make are very loud, and some they use sounds like a shotgun on full auto :P My dog is scared to go out on the dog line because of the noise. I am in the middle of exposing my dog to the shotgun, and used the 22 pistol enough a...

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welcome to GDF, one of the best sites for dog training

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From cover trials to the big time what is a person getting into..... I know a pretty well known trialer. Once upon a time he got a darn good wirehair and started training and trialing. The short story is he started with a small house and two cars and progressed to: the Jeep Wagoneer, the new home w...

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