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In the German trials, they have to track a rabbit instead of a bird. It seems that most of these versatile breeds just pick it up naturally. Mine points rabbits, but I don't let her chase them. Same with deer. She'll point a deer.

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She'd be mighty cold if she shot like that up here now.

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Now, that's one fancy and contemporary pigeon loft!!!!!

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They give you the same constriction options, you just don't have to use a tool to get them in and out. Faster to change. Nearly all of your shots will be close so I'd run skeet and imp cyl. of cyl and imp cyl.

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I guess I am leaving him at home. There is no way I could expect him to hold in a hunting situation after a week of whoa training on birds. Seems like it would be a conflict to not let him move during the training and then one day out of the blue let him chase after the flush Here's the thing. You'...

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Nice to see there's someone else making their own stuff. I have a pointer like your i rigged to "pop up" with a bungee cord and pulley. Couldn't see the 300-400 for an electronic one.

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That is interesting. Will be interesting to see if the feds make the guys use steel on that also since it's over water used by ducks. Really a fun looking implement.

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Yup, the hilti loads the home centers sell. I shoot mine out of a 22 pistol so I don't have to own a blank also. That way I have a ratshot pistol for varmints and a blank for the dogs.

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Will, do you shoot right handed? Only reason I ask is that a lot of those Browning 16's have 1/4" cast off. If you shoot right handed, no problem.

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It is good for teaching a dog to stand, other than that I never put in on the waist. It's too easy for the dog to damage it and they know as soon as you put it on the waist something's up. I keep it on the neck because that's where they'll be wearing it the rest of their lives. dI train them to work...

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I'd go along and take him but hunt the dogs separately. You don't want him busting the other dogs birds or if the other dog doesn't honor, him stealing your pup's birds.

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AND DON'T FORGET THE COVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GROUSE CAMP AND THE OL' GUY LAST FALL.

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On another thred about force retrieving, stewartjeff mentioned he used the gum pinch to get a release. Doing that creates pain in the dogs mouth. Even if you don't force retrieve, why apply pain to the dog's mouth when it has something in it? I think I can give you a much better way. Don, I think s...

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Don you kinda dated yourself talking about the 70 Model. :D The first one I owned was back in 1976 or '77, it was an A1-80 model and it did buzz before shock or you could buzz only. The only reason for the buzz only feature was because the thing only had one level....HOT!!! That way you could condi...

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I didn't realize that people kept dogs outside. I like mine inside right away so they can decide which side of the bed is theirs.

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ICould be something wrong with the collar. Have you tested it with the tester that comes with them to insure it is firing every time? I had a problem with a DT collar that didn't once. Don't like using the tester. Testers, at least TT's, only show that elec. is being emitted from the points, but no...

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I like larger kennels. I like them 6' X 16'. I like the wider size because the dogs don't tend to spread their crap around if they have the extra two feet to run. Make them 6' high and COVER them. Have a partition between each kennel to prevent fence fighting and "Cross Breeding". Slope the kennels ...

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Look, I don't want to harm my dog and I apologize for all of my posting on this topic but I am bewildered by the reactions that I've gotten so far (especially from gonehuntin') and I just wanted to be sure that I was being clear about what I am actually doing. If you folks think I need to change co...

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I detest the one's that give off a warning sound and have the good boy tone. I don't believe they were made to train dog's with, they were made to sell to dog trainer's. Boy, do I agree 100% with that! I don't believe the collar should tell the dog he's a "good dog", a "bad dog", or warn him. That ...

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I believe that Crow River will sell you the doors, vents, etc.

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TT is number one. Try Collar Clinic and see if they have a rebuilt you can buy reasonably. They may also have a bird trap. You know, your traps don't have to be electronic. You can use manuals though they are a little more difficult. I know plenty of people though that use nothing buy manual traps. ...

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Sometimes it's a pressure reaction, sometimes the type of birds, sometimes over training. I agree to just ignore it, and he'll grow out of it.

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Congrat's from you here. From the little I know of you, you're really a person deserving of it.

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Go to three or maybe four. Hold the button down until she complies, don't just nick her. It won't hurt to help her out at first . As you hold the button down bend down a little and coax her to you. Make sure she know the safe place is at your side and anything less is uncomfortable. do NOT go high e...

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but on the way BACK she takes her sweet time, sometimes even stopping to pee (which really burns me up b/c I know she doesn't have to go that bad)...her taking her sweet time happens about 50% of the time on the way back to me. You have to pick and choose the battles that are most important to you....

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I've seen several people here mention that they don't like to force fetch their dogs, or they don't want to force fetch a younger dog, etc. Maybe I just don't understand what is meant by force fetching but why do people seem to have an aversion to it? It was my understanding that to force fetch a d...

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Depends on definitions there. If, with respect to "quartering", you're talking about windshield wiping 30 yards ahead the way a flushing dog would, I would respectfully say that there is a spectrum of what people want from a v-dog. Windshield wiping is at one end and a pointer that retrieves is at ...

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They are not exactly opposit ezzy if you have a versatile dog that handles either for duck hunting or that you run in NAVHDA. You don't hone them to the extent a great lab is, but they do everything a lab does except that where a lab quarters and flushes, a v-dog quarters and points. I realize point...

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I don't dispute the fact that there are as many methods of training as there are trainers. Some methods work better than others. I guess the reason I dispute a lot of methods is that for so many years I dealt with and still do deal with, problem dogs (helping people only now, not for pay) and over s...

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h20fwlkillr wrote:There are other ways to "fix" a dog other than FF. I would try a spike harness on retrieve birds.

What if he stops picking up the birds?

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Not a thing I can add to those recommendations.

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To answer two questions, I am from Door County (Sturgeon Bay). This year most of my hunting centered around Pembine, because that's where I found the most birds. I occasionally worked with Rex Carr, never for him. Most people don't know it, but Rex at one time was a pointer man and was in partnershi...

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I keep hearing people referring to others as pros. I'm curious about how you pros out there became pros? How long have you been paid to work with dogs? How did you get your start? What does a typical day consist of? Is there a particular part of the country that most people in your line of work liv...

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Ezzy; I think Labman and I are on exactly the same page here. I, at one time, was a pro and worked primarily with problem animals. If no one else could train them, they came to me. I worked in a kennel as head trainer where we ran 120 dogs at a time in training when we were full. I saw more problems...

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When I was a trainer, a long time ago, we noticed that some collars affected any dog, would literally roll them on the ground, and others had virtually no effect on any dog. These were the days before variable intensity. No one could figure it out. Tri Tronics started having us send the "hot" collar...

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Any dog that quit on me, wouldn't be in my kennel. There are exceptions, like in the heat, but I don't think you're saying that. A good dog will virtually hunt until he kills himself. I don't have much use for a quitter. I would give the dog until around 14 months and if there is still no bird desir...

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To be honest, at his age I would not worry too much. I certainly would. At seven months if I hear bones crunching, I get worried and fast. Dogs cannot munch if they are flying in to you. Yah, they can and they can freeze as well. When he is around 8-10 months use the Ecollar and CC for Come reinfor...

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Studies have also shown that the optimal time to bring your pup home is at 49 days. That was Wolters and the seeing eye crap. It's pretty much been de-bunked now. That study also assumed that if you did not get the pup on tehe 49th day it wouldn't be handled and socialized. If the pups are handled ...

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The longer you can wait, the better. The dog learns a lot from the mother so you don't want to take it too soon. I always prefer 8 weeks if the breeder allows.

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That's where a heeling stick comes into play. It gives the dog an easily understood, visual barrier. Hold it across your knees, right to left and when he tries to pass the stick, just lightly tap his chest. It is the fastest and most easily understood method, by the pup, of getting him to heel. Don'...

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How does the transition work from cc to free running with a difficult dog? I understand the progression from cc to ecollar but what signs am I looking for to indicate that I can start going without the cc. I understand the idea that the dog beats me if I let him go off leash and can't enforce a com...

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Labman is spot on here. It sounds from your description like you have a potential bird eater. There have been more dogs sent to the boneyard for freezing and bird eating than for anything else. Many pro's consider this to be an incurable fault, one that can only be controlled once it is confirmed. S...

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Thanks I take him out without the leash every day just to give him some fun time and try to avoid commands I can't enforce. I try the recall command from time to time just to check but there doesn't seem to be any improvement in his response to this command off lead. You're letting him beat you her...

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Mushers wax. That's what the sled dog people use. Lion Country I believe. It is a nice long lasting product.

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It's a great product but you're beating your head against the wall if you don't use a heeling stick. If you have to use a stick to get the dog to walk at your side than you are not using the lead properly :wink: What I'm actually saying Casper, is that it's easier to teach a dog to heel with a heel...

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jbr03 wrote:also, where can i get material such as videos where it discusses proper collar use. does the collar itself come with a book other than ''this button does this and that button does that"

Dobbs Training Center. It's about the best out there if you want an electrically trained dog.

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It's a great product but you're beating your head against the wall if you don't use a heeling stick.

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First, I think it's a *great* thing to set up training so that it avoids ever having a problem rather than getting it and having to solve it. Solving problems is a tangent that I'd rather avoid as I have *very* limited time and need to spend it moving the bar forward. Here's the thing Greg: If you ...

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Stump wrote:Holy crapper guys That CZ has went from 699.00 to 849.00 to Just yesterday 998.99 in less than 3 months. I guess I'll get the sparta sXs Bi mart has them for 365.00 today.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder what's goin' on there?

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