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'Lemme give this a whirl- HOLD is fairly parallel with HEEL in terms of a command that slowly, silently, becomes somewhat "non existent", yet heard enough, and taught enough to the point where the dog doesn't really forget it. That's why HEEL sometimes is better off left alone until HERE is well un...

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The OP comes on here with a post that goes against some others grain . Right off the bat he's a troller, this and that. OP has a right to his opinion and express it. Many have all been guilty of pointing fingers and being tunnel visioned ,self included. the inability to look at others opinions subje...

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Well, one thing about it, I think the OP achieved what he set out to do!

Charlie

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Smart fetch

Charlie

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Neil wrote:The man says he is hunting pen birds.

And I have trained a couple hundred dogs to finished standards without pigeons or launchers.

Pigeons and launchers are great but are by no means a necessity. Plenty of great dogs have been trained with neither.

Charlie

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The man that just posted, Evan, has the most complete and easy to understand program on the market, plus you can email him questions or ask him on here. He might no say it, but it's the best program out there and one that has been in use for over 40 years now. +1. Get the program and follow it. It ...

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gonehuntin' wrote:Whats to know Polmaise? The dog chases trash........trash break it.

And when done right and timed right, it normally only takes one time. A very quick and permanent fix that could very well save the dog's life.

Charlie

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Glad it is not serious!

Charlie

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As the others have said, the answer to your question is "no". But he is just a baby and it is too early to tell too much at this point. It seems that most newbies are way to anxious and impatient. You have to let them go through the puppy stage without too much expectations too soon. With some puppi...

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"Historically, early Bob White quail populations in North America were relatively low as compared with the highs of the early to mid-1900's before we cleared and developed the land. As we developed the land we killed the small hawks; with pesticide, trapping and GrandMa's shotgun. Quail flourished ...

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He is a baby with the attention span of a nat. Nothing wrong with intro to birds but you should mostly just be bonding with and socializing him at this point. As they say, just let him be a puppy. About the only training you need to concentrate on is some obedience [recall] and manners. Good luck Ch...

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Sorry if I offend, but you most likely did not properly force fetch. I have had them pick up a tin can if nothing else was readily available. I have found force fetch works if done properly. Might there be two potential issues here, 1) a retrieve refusal, or 2) birdshyness, or at least retrieve-shy...

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Relax...It's a puppy thing. He will grow out of it. It shows he has good prey drive and with age and experience he will learn what he is out there for. Completely normal.

Charlie

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Neil wrote:Charlie,

Your observations are valuable.

It is just the big hawks are not a threat to quail.

Understood, I would have not thought that.

Charlie

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I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be cle...

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I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be cle...

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I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be clea...

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Welcome!! Enjoy the ride.

Charlie

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Let me get this straight. On 2 different threads for this same subject, over 50 post. Whoa on birds, whoa to stop from creeping, breaking, stop to flush and countless others . you say it's an obedience only command That's the end of the discussion because you said it. Really You just proved my poin...

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Have you even read these many posts and understood what we are saying? That is a question you should ask yourself. you tell me how affective whoa is when the dog is out of site 99% of the time. And holding birds waiting for you to show up that 1% I will use it to reinforce stop to flush and not rea...

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Whoa in an obedience situation..this is why semantics and getting hung up on the exact phrase "whoa" is just foolish and a waste of time. In the case you use whoa to stop your dog from a creep or if he is rearing back ready to lunge...if your dog has been taught whoa effectively - you don't even ne...

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My only question in all of this is if your dog is running twoards a road and a vehicle is coming why in the world would you tell the dog "whoa" instead of a "turn" command? i teach whoa but don't really use it for anything other than basic obedience such as stopping at a gate or door, or at the sta...

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Keep in mind that I have been hunting Pheasants primarily w/my shorthair. Without a doubt we are more succesful (for better or worse) when my dog is not 100%. That is not to say that he doesn't need to throttle it back at times (which is another story) & I don't ever quit working toward the end gam...

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Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, idea. If you fry them while jumping on someone,they can think the guest hurt them and attack the guest. This is NOT a situation to use the collar in. Sounds like you better study the collar more before getting one. Remember with the collar: When you work at higher levels, f...

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So ....is the Whoa command the same thing as me blowing the Stop whistle ?

Bill T.

Yes

Charlie

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Heck, I whoa my dogs when I go out to feed them. It makes for good manners.

Charlie

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Never give a dog a second chance when you are having trouble with him. One command and zap. Pretty soon you'll have to give him three commands, then four. A dog can do things correctly a thousand times but let them defy you ONCE and they'll try it again. Nature of the beast. I agree one hundred per...

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There is plenty of good advice here, but if I was a "REALLY new newbie" as the OP has admitted (and I would be when it comes to labs), I would probably be totally confused and would think that it is too involved, expensive and complicated to end up with the kind of dog I have been wanting. Personall...

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The command in question is like a lot of things in life that is not needed until it is needed. As I stated in a previous post, It without doubt saved a dog's life twice over the years but make fun of it all you want. But because it has never happened to most of you, it is not needed unless of course...

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There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I never said I don't correct him. I just don't believe in hurting and/or purposely making the dog comfortable to train him. It's called positive reinforcement. Look up chad Hines on YouTube guys for some videos on how to do it. He also has videos o...

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Wing on a string is a game nothing more. You don't have to have a wing on it, use a piece of rag. If i were to agree that it does cause sighting, I don't, then a piece of rag or anything other than a wing will accomplish the same end; to see if your dog will chase an object dangled in from of it. T...

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I am not posting on this thread to argue with anyone. I was simply relating my thoughts and experience on this subject the OP. It is just another obedience command and I just gave an example of how useful/important it can be. I didn't make it up or exaggerate it. That being said, I think most dog ow...

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And I like clicker training because training is much faster, may or may not stick better, but I know that it works very well. And plus, I hate ff. regardless of what anyone's got to say I just can't agree with forced fetch. I don't care if the dog would be happier if u pinched his ear, not gonna do...

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Wild birds teach whoa for pointing and holding. For safety the come or hear command works for all the other breeds. Why does a pointer have to be different There are times when you need the dog to stop and stand still instead of running to you. The breed has nothing to do with it when we are talkin...

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Welcome and enjoy the ride!!

Charlie

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I know what its like to be a server, a bartender and a guy that carries someone's golf bag around and that is why I am a 20% tipper. In those day's I did my level best to give great service with a smile because my lively hood depended on it. We can complain about tipping until the cows come home bu...

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FWIW, I never read the directions on the bag. For me, it is a no brainer and very simple. I just keep an eye on the dogs and feed accordingly. I think many people way over think this. JMO.

Charlie

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For me the bottom line is the prong collar works extremely well with a very light touch and there is not much risk of injuring the dog.

Charlie

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it is important for safety reasons. It has saved a dog's life a couple of times for me.

Charlie

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I don't like a choke chain on and dog for training. they are too severe on the throat area and also should never be left on a dog. The wider prong collar with the dull spikes hitting the neck can be over used but I sure like it better than the narrow chain. I admit most of the training I do is with...

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A live trap works pretty well. I had a similar problem once and now there is not a cat in sight and there was no harm done to the strays.

Charlie

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Divide and conquer,East side- west side,liberal -conservative accomplishes nothing.We are all in this together ,the sooner the labels are dropped

If it looks like a duck.......!

Charlie

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I agree with everything that has been said, but I will just add that for me, tracking and hunting dead are two different things. For me, more times than not, finding a downed bird is Just a matter of keeping the dog in one area until he comes up with the bird that has fallen into some thick cover th...

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Or you could just hide a piece of meat (hot dog, chicken, etc.) hide it and give the dog whatever command you want to use for hunt dead ( I just use "dead" or "dead bird" ). A few times of this and the dog will find your bird when given the command. Whatever method you choose, it shouldn't take long...

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The one thing that I would advise to keep in mind is that the only person the dog has to please is you.

Charlie

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Sounds like your FF wasn't complete and/or you never reinforced the command. FF is a continual process, not a once and done. It only gives you another tool to ensure delivery to hand.

EXACTLY!!

Charlie

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In Indiana we do quite a bit of quail hunting. We hunt mostly thick fence rows between beans and corn fields, little wood lots, thickets, thorns, brambles. I guess the best explanation I would give is that anywhere you might suspect a rabbit could or would be is a good spot to look. On public groun...

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"Training with MO" is a good book and a good training program. It just doesn't fit my style of training but that is just me. I really like Paul Long's book that Ray mentioned but as he said, it is dated and some of his techniques are more harsh than we need to use today. But as long as you keep that...

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There is a video series of 27 vids on youtube posted by SportDog collars regarding retriever training from start to finish that also covers FF. I'm new to training myself and my pup is doing amazing following this program. IMO - the FF training is a must. As I understand it it's getting a dog to go...

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Hello Elmer, and welcome to the forum! When you do take the plunge and get a pup, do yourself and puppy a favor by joining a local NAVHDA chapter. IMO, this would be the single best thing you could do for the venues you are interested in and you would get valuable advise and hands on training tips f...

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