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by daniel77
Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:31 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: force fetch?
Replies: 9
Views: 3956

Re: force fetch?

Force fetching, assuming it is done correctly, will leave no doubt in your dog's mind that what you want is for him to pick up and hold the object and deliver it to you , be that a dummy, bird, whatever. What I took you to mean by the word "explore", was coming out of the water, and ignoring you to ...
by daniel77
Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:49 am
Forum: Training
Topic: force fetch?
Replies: 9
Views: 3956

Re: force fetch?

yea, shes a year an 5mon. old, sometimes when she gest out of the pond she wants to explore. Imma bout to get ana ecollar. I may be misunderstanding what you're saying your dog is doing, but not coming to you, and needing to be force fetched are two different issues. Not that force fetching isn't a...
by daniel77
Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:19 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Long haired woes
Replies: 7
Views: 2719

Re: Long haired woes

My dog's hair is very coarse so they don't stick as much but you can save money by buying the same stuff from a candle & soap making supply house. People at the farm do that and its a fraction of the cost. Could you please explain this a bit further? I'm not quite sure what candles and soap have to...
by daniel77
Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:47 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Long haired woes
Replies: 7
Views: 2719

Re: Long haired woes

Thanks Ryman,
I train cutting horses for a living, so I'm quite familiar with Cowboy Magic as well. I agree that it is the best stuff since sliced bread, but you can cut the show sheen with water 50/50 and the spraying application is so easy. Also the Cowboy magic is a bit pricey. Thanks again.
by daniel77
Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:23 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Retrieving question
Replies: 7
Views: 2746

Re: Retrieving question

You say he is lowering his head. Is he doing this in a cowering manner, or just trying to avoid giving up his bumper? You man just need to back off a bit and let him have some fun for a while. What is his tail doing?
by daniel77
Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:14 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Long haired woes
Replies: 7
Views: 2719

Long haired woes

I'll be picking up an ES pup the first part of March. This will be my first long haired dog, and I keep reading about the tangles and having to spend a bunch of time getting burs and trash out of the hair. I'm not opposed to spending time on the dog, I just didn't envision that time being spend groo...
by daniel77
Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:11 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: New Wilson Video! Enjoy
Replies: 2
Views: 1055

Re: New Wilson Video! Enjoy

Should be getting a lab puppy sometime later this spring. Your video has made that seem like a loooonnnnng ways off. Nice pup. :D
by daniel77
Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:26 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: My GWP will retrieve but not all the way to hand!
Replies: 17
Views: 5431

Re: My GWP will retrieve but not all the way to hand!

I agree with what's been said about FF, and when it should be done. I will point out that your pup is probably still in the teething stage (till 7 months or so), and his dropping or mouthing the dummy may well have nothing to do with his actual desire to retrieve. NBD at this point.
by daniel77
Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:20 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Competitive, Testing, Trialing Poll
Replies: 36
Views: 7080

Re: Competitive, Testing, Trialing Poll

Now I'm confused, I thought blind hogs found truffles? :mrgreen:
by daniel77
Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:01 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

Thanks Ezzy. :twisted:

And I do have a lot of perfectionist in me, so you can bet I'll always be trying to improve my dogs, just maybe in a different way.
by daniel77
Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:33 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

I will add that I commend all of the posters here who are lending their advice. Despite disagreeing with the predominant direction in another thread, I have received quite a few heartfelt PM's from several of you offering up your experience, and I thank you.

Daniel
by daniel77
Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:30 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

Ray, I thank you for your post. I indeed fall into the "family hunter category". The area and terrain that I hunt is nowhere near as open as the terrain most of you are used to. Around here, especially where I'd be woodcock hunting, you may not see a pure white dog 15 yds away in some spots (my bad ...
by daniel77
Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Bark Control Collar
Replies: 6
Views: 2298

Re: Bark Control Collar

I have an older (10 yrs ish) tri tronics no bark collar, box and all. It has no sensitivity adjustment and fairly well trained one of my past dogs to yelp and whine not quite loud enough to get zapped. I tried it on myself, and I had to yell as loud as I possibly could to trigger it, but man when it...
by daniel77
Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:20 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Words of Wisdom
Replies: 205
Views: 362705

Re: Words of Wisdom

Slow will get you there Fast Fast will get you there Slow, or not at all Strive each day to be the man/woman your dog thinks you are. If you are driving down a deserted highway and see a beautiful young woman standing on the side of the road, alone and with nothing. Seriously consider passing her up...
by daniel77
Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

Thanks for the replies so far, and please keep them coming. I had typed up another post last night, but must have hit the wrong button or something cause it isn't here now. I made the decision on breed a couple of months ago, and will be picking up a male English Setter the first part of March. Our ...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:59 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

That is kind of where I'm getting crossed up here. I am a big fan of versatile dogs that are user friendly and take some of the work out of hunting. To me, that is the point of the dog, or at least was. However, I'm getting the impression that the pointing people are VERY selective about what and wh...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:40 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Re: Educate Me

good point. thanks. I meant, but didn't specify, pointing dogs only. I'd like to hear the difference between the meat dog trainer vs the FT trainer. Schedule, desired outcome, retrieve, not retrieve, etc. Another for instance, a poster on the other thread said that it took a lot of pressure to break...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:42 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Competitive, Testing, Trialing Poll
Replies: 36
Views: 7080

Re: Competitive, Testing, Trialing Poll

good points
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:40 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Educate Me
Replies: 18
Views: 4479

Educate Me

The sit thread got way out of hand, so I thought this would be a better place to talk about the tangents that were generated there. I'm curious how, what and when most of ya'll are training your dogs. It would be helpful if a bit of background was included. Ft of just a hunter. When do you generally...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:47 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training FT versus Hunting
Replies: 49
Views: 8445

Re: Training FT versus Hunting

Ray, Good post. Thanks and I agree. BTW, I didn't say can't retrieve, I said doesn't retrieve. Certainly the FT dogs have their place, and I'm not downing them. I think the difference in the way they're handled is the main thing. I'd dang sure rather have a pup with champs on paper than take a chanc...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:54 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Is the thread now moving from "To sit or not to sit" to psychological musings. That last post of mine was meant to bury the hatchet and point out that we had things in common. The reason I talk about control is this is a thread and Forum Topic about Training. I believe that the Word Training Implies...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:29 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Daniel just because a dog doesn't sit or lay down doesn't mean he's out of control.My dogs are in control because they want to be with & please me if I run across the rd in front of a car my dog will do the same.I've never been hit yet ,neither has any of my dogs in over the 35 yrs I've owned them....
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:09 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Attention problems with HEEL and WHOA
Replies: 13
Views: 4564

Re: Attention problems with HEEL and WHOA

FWIW, I've had good success having a cue that means pay attention. For me, it is just a very slight little whistle using only my tongue. If I had the dog at heel, you couldn't hear me from 15 away. Whenever I want the pup's attention. I give the little whistle, and then a bump if they don't give it ...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:00 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training FT versus Hunting
Replies: 49
Views: 8445

Re: Training FT versus Hunting

+1 as well I am a hunter, and probably would never be a Serious Field Trialer. For me, a dog that doesn't retrieve, or goes so far and fast that I have to be horseback just to keep up with is not going to be enjoyable for my hunting style. From my experience, some FT retrievers are the same way. Tho...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

But I also believe that it takes several years of training to gain the control you want. Having repeatedly used the words SIMPLE and BASIC with regard to OBEDIENCE, and having stated explicitly that OVERDOING anything can be detrimental, and also mentioning the word MODERATION several times, I am co...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:33 am
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

I guess I am a hunter with a Field trial mentality. The reason I and I think most people have dogs anymore is they enjoy the dogs. It sure isn't to kill birds and feed the family. And there is no bigger thrill than seeing a dog use its head and find where the birds are. That doesn't even compare to...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:28 am
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

I may be wrong, but I assume that most of the people on these forums are hunters and not field trialers. Again, as you say, you train a dog for your purposes. For my purposes and for many hunters, that means that when you tell a dog to lie down in a corner of the house or to sit, you expect them to...
by daniel77
Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

daniel77, I'm going to break up your quote hope you don't mind. I'm not touching all of it just responding to a couple parts of it. exactly what I was wanting I have no problem with a person waiting to teach "sit" until later on, or not at all. I'm certainly not saying you are wrong to take this ap...
by daniel77
Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:16 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Most of the people here fall into this category it would seem, since most of us are merely training our own dogs, and are not ever going to have the experience that comes from training 100's of dogs. I never meant to infer that another poster didn't know what they were talking about, or that their ...
by daniel77
Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:25 am
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

This thread certainly took a turn for the worse, and for my part in this, I apologize. I in no way meant to imply that anyone who had chosen not to teach sit, or chose to postpone teaching sit was in any way wrong. I merely take exception with the point that teaching "sit", or basic obedience is the...
by daniel77
Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:57 pm
Forum: Wild Game Recipes
Topic: Pheasant poppers
Replies: 3
Views: 8591

Re: Pheasant poppers

Made my mouth water. We do this with ducks also. The cream cheese seems to take some of that strong gamy flavor out of the duck. "bleep" good recipe.
by daniel77
Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:42 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

First of all, I responded in kind with the banter. If you don't want to be talked to like a child, then act like an adult. One of you must have some admin privileges, as part of one of my responses has disappeared. The missing part was civil, BTW. Oh well, play it that way if you must. Secondly, the...
by daniel77
Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:56 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Teach what ever you want & train how ever you want then there is no reason to ask for advice.If you have a problem just hire daniel to cure it or maybe since the rest of us are WRONG he will do it PRO BONO. :D Go back and reread the entire thread. A few other guys seem to think that a pointer who w...
by daniel77
Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Each to his own. You can go to bed tonight with the satisfaction that you know something we mere people don't. Isn't it possible that there are two schools of thought at work here? Neither must be wrong, and neither may be completely right. This whole topic seems to be a perennial hot button, and ul...
by daniel77
Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:49 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

Let's say that I'm wrong and the dog begins to sit when he shouldn't. Go back to the leash in the back yard. You heel the dog and while walking command sit. He sits. You release him and continue the walk. Now you command whoa. He sits. You put a rope around his belly and when he tries to sit, you h...
by daniel77
Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:09 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

I'm all for not causing yourself training problems down the line, and all for asking good questions in an effort to avoid those problems. That is exactly why I'm here. I just think that the difference between sitting and standing is so simple that if a dog had major problems with this, he wasn't goi...
by daniel77
Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:19 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To sit or not to sit!
Replies: 76
Views: 13684

Re: To sit or not to sit!

I must admit to being a novice to the pointing world. I'll be picking up my first ES in a month or so. As a novice to the pointing world, one of the first things that struck in much of what I've read during my research was the lack of credit a lot of guys seem to give their dogs. Before ya'll hammer...
by daniel77
Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:28 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: GSP between legs upon gun shot
Replies: 18
Views: 4946

Re: GSP between legs upon gun shot

I have quite a few Horses that you can fire a shotgun off of....Once. :mrgreen: Sorry, but I couldn't resist. You obviously have a problem, and now you can work on it. Whatever did or didn't happen to the dog previously, while possibly unfortunate, is irrelevant and unchangeable. Start where you are...
by daniel77
Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:53 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Tent Hunters
Replies: 7
Views: 2443

Re: Tent Hunters

My only worry would be the center pole style. If you are fine with that, then I'm sure you'll get many years of good service from this tent. Just don't trip while you're inside. lol