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slistoe wrote:If standards mean nothing, then why have breed names?

I was asking if it was just a show standard, or if there was some other reason like a cross-breeding of some other type dog.

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Like I said it is weird, all the pigeons are paired up and have all been successful in raising chicks already. These two were young and finally came of breeding age. I suppose it is possible they are both hens, like I said they are new and I haven't really seen any struting or anything else that wou...

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OK why is blue so bad. Is there a reason behind it, or is it the same kind of deal as black being a dq for GSP's in the AKC showring?

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A little off of Hoosiers question, but there is about 100 pigeon strings going already, so here goes. I am wondering if there would be any ill effect in using lime in a coop. My pigeons are multipling like rabbits and the nesting areas are getting nasty. I was wondering if I could lime the nesting b...

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Greg,
Got ya. Now that I agree with.

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I think that would be a cool idea. We could start a new topic for the different breeds GSP, ES, Weim, Britt, etc... People that actually own the type of dog can tell what they think the pros and cons are of their breed. Maybe some of the myths of thee breeds can be put to rest. Like a Spinone isn't ...

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I believe that why you hear a trial focus in the advice given is because the vast majority of people that have vast experience training dogs to high levels are trialers or are professional trainers that frequently cater to trialers. FWIW, Greg J. Huh? Maybe I just misunderstand what you are typing....

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Bruce I know you wouldn't be one to do it, but what I'm talking about is the hard core trialer advice on training that does not recognize there are other desires and other methods that work for people who are not looking for a trial dog. Not that their preference is wrong so much as their intoleran...

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This is my take on it. Some people don't like the book. Some people heard it was a bad book so without reading it they say it is bad too. Some people actually think it is a good book. I have read the book, and I think there is certain parts that can be used in training. Not the whoa part tho, what t...

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I don't see Spinones on the list either. What kind of list is this?

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I guess I'm a bit more "hillbilly" than Greg. I enjoy the night time, "under the bridge" option better. 1) Grab a spotlight, fishing net, broom handle, roll of duct tape, and a cage/box 2) Tape the broom handle to the fishing net handle to get some extra reach 3) After sunset, go find some bridges ...

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Why do you want people to rank your dogs pedigree? All that matters is what you think. Get ten different people to look at a pedigree and they will give you eleven different evaluations.

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Dave,

Very nice. That should be a real good litter you got coming up.

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So i took my five month old EP to a nearby lake yesterday in hopes of getting her in the water. When we got there, I jumped in the deep end and was gonna go to the bank and persuade her to get in. Next thing i know, she jumps in after me so i let her swim to me and held her for a minute to calm her...

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Man, the Pointer world is different! It's pretty much, have cash have stud! I had to provide a Negative Brucellosis and that was about it. I would laugh if a stud owner wanted to see her on birds. In fact, they want her in and out as fast as possible. One shot and see ya! Night and day different. I...

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I feed large breed puppy Pro Plan.

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I used to hunt rabbits and deer with my shorthairs, killed lots of nice bucks over them with my drilling, Train your shorthairs to point deer and you will be amazed at how many deer will lie in their beds thinking you will walk by, in a Georgia clearcut. AND if you are wondering how to train them i...

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What kind of discount do you offer on the manual launchers?

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You do have a door on there right?

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Looks great. Got any birds coming?

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tfbirddog2, I think most would agree that a dog doesn't have to have a title to prove it is great. Nor does the dog have to cost thousands to prove it. Titles just help to show you what the dogs are/were capable of in a pedigree. Of course if a guy spends thousands of dollars to prove his dog I thin...

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Brian, Is this what you are talking about? If so it will work but you will have to cut some of the hose off because it will be to heavy. I have one I use sometimes with pigeons and had to cut some off. Have you ever thought about getting homing pigeons instead? http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u22...

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I just had to make a stand about the tall GSP comment.At the lodge I guide for, the boss has three males litter mates their father was from straight from germany a eighty-five pound male.They all weight around 70 to 80 lbs.and have no problem keeping up with my one 52 lbs female who is very fast(pa...

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Well I think my first post on the subject was right on for what the man asked. My second was just me laughing out loud as I typed. Absolutely anytime you are buying a dog you should take a lot of things into account. First and foremost I think you should turn to a breeder with a good, proven track ...

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Not tooting my horn! It's the dogs. And it goes directly to price of a pup. You can get VERY well bred pups that anyone can train for a very reasonable price as compared to what a typical DK/DD runs. The DK/DD controversy is more about marketing than any actual advantage they may have in training. ...

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Here we go again. Another versatile vs ft dogs again. :roll:

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SharpMtn,
Am I reading the rules correctly on this? For RDX three birds are thrown in the water and then the dog has to retrieve in order? Thanks.

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What exactly is the water test?

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The most important question. How do I get a job where I am laid off for the summer?

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John,

I wasn't trying to make it into a FT vs. other formats. Sorry if I made it sound that way. I don't agree with some of the stuff you say, so I was just looking for some more info to try and understand you.

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John, I agree with some of what you are saying. However I don't agree it is just the FT dogs. How can you say that a dog running in NAVHDA, DKV, HT, etc. Does not need stamina, temperament, or cooperation? I agree the dogs that are in FT are ran a whole lot harder but there is a lot of time and trai...

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I am sorry. I am not a big fan of dogs that are not out of proven parents. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. But I just haven't had great experiences with that. It has definitely not been that the dogs were not good hunters. Probably one of the best I have ever had was such a dog. But he als...

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But it's the papers that give you the best idea as to what the dog will produce. Without them you have no clue unless you know the dog and the last two generations personally. Ezzy We're talking pointers here; you really willing to base much on the papers? I don't care who you are. That's funny rig...

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Sartell, I think you are doing exactly what you should be doing. Research, research, research, and ask lots of questions. Use only the parts that you think you and your pup will use. You will read through some stuff that will not make sense for what you want to do. First and foremost you need to thi...

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Thanks for the compliments everyone. I am pretty excited about this pup.

ssjetset wrote:From Steve Kosmicki?

The female (Bonnie) is actually Roy's.

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If the pup is going to be real close to the bird I would clip it. Not like you are saying but with a harness where the wings are "clipped" so they can't flap. You don't want a bird to scare a pup at this age. Once the pup is use to birds and has more confident you won't have to clip the wings anymor...

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bondoron wrote:GSP = Feldjaeger's Britta

DK = will be picked up on Tuesday. Not for sure on the name yet.

The DK is here. His name is Donco vom Keljer.

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This is Donco vom Keljer. Been anxiously waiting for this pup for awhile.

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Sartell Pointer wrote:Britta - fine looking pup Ron! DK? Which breeder?

Our GSP is Grouse Point's Reigny Solveig......she goes by Reigny

Good to see you on here again. How is that new pup treating you? I am getting the DK from Vom Keljer. You already know where the GSP came from.

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GSP = Feldjaeger's Britta

DK = will be picked up on Tuesday. Not for sure on the name yet.

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Am going to start a search for English Pointer pup to be used as a foot hunting gundog and most likely walking trials, retrieving,swimming, and sound temperament are all a must. I am not looking for a dog that needs a tracking collar to find. Temperament is very important as well what lines should ...

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I would probably work on her recall and whoa commands before I go back out. You don't want to be using the ecollar around birds anymore than you have too. You could also take her out on a CC and try that. Does she check in with you? What would she do if you turned your back and walked the other way?...

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Wow Don that was well thought out. Is that how you were trained by chance?

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Yawallac wrote:
udibar coonas
I believe that's Uodibar's Koonas.

Nice lines. Why switch to one of them bootlickin' DKs? Just kidding!

Easy now Yawallac, or I will post the picture of your tricolor GSP that you used for stud.

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Welcome aboard Emma.

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We have been working on keeping her steady to flush and she's doing fine, but as soon as I release her from point she wants to give chase. I can heel her 100 yards away in the opposite direction, and she'll turn right around and chase the flush. Did the bird fly out of sight when you release her? O...

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bobman wrote: The DK is more fur oriented,

It all depends on what part of Europe you get your dog from. Some dogs are bred heavy for fur, and some for birds. Just like any other dog it's all about the lines.

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emma,

Do you want to know how Americans train DK's (German version) or GSP's (Americanized version) ?

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if i want him to stay on one side of the road i tell him to stay. again we are back on safety reasons for who when we need to justify it for bird training So stay is better than whoa? :roll: Safety is just one reason go back and read the posts. I also use sit in the blind, however if I got birds co...

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ezzy333 wrote:The only difference is personnal preference as all dogs are different.

Ezzy

I agree. Both sides have their little quirks but they both even out in the end.

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