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Don

I think n every breed there are blood lines that everybody has headr of. Thats some pedigree! Congrats.

Don

You said, "we always run mock test's". Who is we? The whole thing needs to be done to get her ready. My thinking is that something from the mock tests to the real thing is missing.

Don

+2 on Gordon Guy

Don

I couldn't see what kind of dog it is either. Excuse me, puppy! Also not sure what puppy kindergarden is? What did you do there to what end?

Don

Quit trying to break him and start teaching him. He's young and short on obedience! You said, "when we are training with the gun I just can't keep him from breaking at the shot". Well you already know what he's going to do and you continue to do it. Give him some time and work on obedience. eliminat...

Don

How many do you need? Are you putting in a coop? I usually give about ten birds to guys that are building their own coop. BTW, I'm in Central Ore Don, I already have a coop built but don't have any birds. I had a few this summer that I had trapped but ended up using those as shooters. I have a pup ...

Don

Yep, don't worry about it. she should grow out of that with bird encounters. Hope your finding more birds over there than I'm finding over here. wish I could shoot in town, thats where all the birds are!

Don

How many do you need? Are you putting in a coop? I usually give about ten birds to guys that are building their own coop.

BTW, I'm in Central Ore

Don

I love puppy pics too! And especially arrowbanshee's avatar!

Don

+1 on bobman. I to have started older dogs without much problem. You might have the advantage of working with a mature dog and not have to endure puppy garbage.

Don

I tried either the French or English method in Alaska years ago. With one you remove the innards and hand the bird by its feet for 5 days at 50 degrees, I think that was the temp. The other you hang the bird by the neck with the innards in till the head seperates from the body. I did the guts out wa...

Don

Beautiful photo's!!!!!

Don

That green key muct be like the one that came with my 700 a few years ago. I never lock mine for fear of loosing the key!

Don

The guy makes a good point about not getting any love for a flushers forum. Seem's to me we have a number of lab people here and a couple springer folks. And we are Gun Dog Forum, not Pointing Dog Forum! Myself, I don't mind reading about flushers here, good ones are fun to watch and to hunt over.

Don

Nice looking little dog. I thought about getting one at one time, don't know why aI didn't. I like to watch good flushing dogs.

Don

Pointing dogs are smarter than retrievers. They understand that when they fetch an object they are to hold it in their mouth properly and finish the retrieve before starting the next retrieve. I used to tell Otis fecth for each bird that was down when I sent him for the first bird. That way with thr...

Don

I just think that doing it without hold confusses the dog. I see fetch as the command to pick up the object. I also go past the normal FF and go on with FTP because i train labs. If it works for you thats fine but i think its not right I'm not sure how it would confuse the dog? I've never seen a do...

Don

I don't know who forced her but I'd get her back there in a hurry, put her back on the table and refresh her memory. You keep shooting birds and at this point she'll probably keep munching. Get her on the table and lean on her.

Don

Good to see we're all getting along here! Eddie, I have been watching this thred thinking something is missing here. I think I found it. You said that the pup is not seeing the doves fly because the grass is taller than she is. You also say she walks very close to you and won't go far in front. I su...

Don

Years ago on the Anderson Ranch in Washington, I came up to my dog, Drifter, standing on a back. The judge with the other handler told me to pick him up, I did. Later I found out that he was picked up for a possible interference. What the h*ll is that? Smmes that the other hanler and the judge were ...

Don

I agree with everyone else but would suggest one thing different. Leave the shotgun home and blank birds or if you simply must take the shotgun, miss on purpose. The dog will probably have bird handling issues in the begining anyway and leaving the gun home means you can't get excited and shoot a mi...

Don

Love those white dogs. Thats a good looking pup! Don't worry about making mistakes, everybody does. Even some of us that are supposed to know better!

Don

To Cracked: The pups hear the word fetch each and every time they run for a toy I toss or during training when birds are shot and they run out for the retrieve and I have them on a check cord to guide them back. The shot birds are marks. Once through the steadiness and first year of hunting, then I...

Don

Sounds like he's mostly just not in shape to hunt yet. Unless his pads are pulled, he'll get tuffer as you go. Just don't put him down as long till he tuffens up. He doesn't have light pads does he? On question two, again it's mostly conditioning. There's different pick-me-ups you can give the dog b...

Don

Thanks. I will definately go there. I've got a Ponsness-Warren 375 for 16's and a Mec 600 for 28's.

Don

Not a problem. Take the knot out of the end of the cord and let him drag it. Then don't try to call him unless you have the cord. Let him bump and run all the birds he wants. As your letting him run, keep turning yourself to keep him in front of you.

Don

Finding 16 ga here is a chore. I recommend that you reload them. Then you'll only have trouble finding wads! I like 1oz loads of #6 shot.

Reloading can be done chea,,,,inexpensively. Lee Load All in 16 ga is under $50. I've used it in 12 ga and 20 ga. Makes good hunting loads.

Don

I got a call from a guy over in Tygh Valley that wanted to come over and run his dog on some of my pigeons. Well he got here today and we ran his dog on several birds and the guy asks to see one of my dogs work. Hoo boy, haven't worked either of them on birds in several weeks; laggart! Well I told h...

Don

Danged old Chris stole my fire!

Never set your dog up to fail.

How many birds in a row do you think a seasoned dog can handle without making a mistake? Your pup is 14 mos.

Don

Hey Weird Stakler, I'd forget the pen raised game birds and run the pup on wild birds. While your doing that I would build and stock a pigeon loft. By the time the pup is ready to start serious work on birds, ypu'll have a loft full of pigeons that will not run around on the ground or land in 50' bu...

Don

You guys posting puppy pic's are heartless! I've got two dogs and really shouldn't think about another. Love that one sitting, just out of cou...........never mind!

Don

Sorry to hear that Bobman. Why does it seem to happen to favorites?

Don

I'm a plastic barrel guy too. Made a stand for it and fixed a top the dog can get on. Never seen a dog didn't like to get on top the house. Wouldn't put a heater in a dog house. Oh BTW, plactic is a step up from the steel drums I used to use, even still have a few around!

Don

Yep dead is to old! I find it amussing that so many people talk about the importance of developing "prey drive" in pups when they are young. What happens if you don't? At what age will the pup loose it's desire to hunt, aka prey drive? Don't happen! I ask these questions because I'm not sure what wo...

Don

That view makes sense to me. The dog should stay to the front but should go to likely cover. Actually I've never heard it called a 10/2 pocket before. If you manage to keep a dog there all the time, you probably have an overtrained and mechanical dog. They don't win a lot!

Don

Boy those are nice photo's! I love it when the light turns on. Where are you from that you have that many birds?

Don

I have never pulled the flight feathers on a game bird so don't know how well that works. But if you had some pigeons with the flight feathers pulled, I'd start there. I would want my springer to catch a lot of birds on the ground. What happens if they don't is that they can become soft on the flush...

Don

hat makes two "bleep" good posts. I discovered that the most important thing in bird hunting were the other things. I've hunted wild birds ddurning the season, with a blank gun. My old friend Jack and I saw all kinds of things that held our attention. But to watch a good dog do what a good dog does ...

Don

God I love it when something like that happens. When I started Tieh I brought her in up wind and had her bump a few first. Then I came in cross wind and poped before she could point. Then she beat me. She came in cross wind really fast, she was fast. Hit it so hard she went completely over and came ...

Don

JR, when she drops the bird, don't pick it up, kick it away. If she doesn't bring it to you in a couple of tries, end the session and start over tomorrow. Another thing to do is to step back one step and go down on one knee. Often it will draw the dog to you with the bird in mouth. Time it so you go...

Don

Is that her in your avatar? Nice looking dog! Doesn't sound to me like shes been on enough birds yet. Shoot more of those pigeons for her. Then find some pen raised game birds and start over to turn her onto game birds. Or simply take her hunting till she starts holding. If you have access to remote...

Don

I'm not sure there is that one dog for me. Of course there are dogs I sorely miss, Skipper, Hannah, Kate, Lefty, Drifter,,,Geeze it could be a long list.

I could not pick one, they were all special.

Don

I think there's more to this than we are seeing. What it appears they are developing is a type of dog seen 40yrs ago. Take a look at the rise in popularity of breeds like the Munsterlanders, Weimaraners and Vizlas. The show community has ruined several breeds and the trial community has taken the sa...

Don

R-Heaton wrote:Nice looking setter,,, whats his breeding?

He's Tekoa Mt/Smith breeding. Here he is in better times!

Don

Picked him up this afternoon and got him home about 5:30. Swelling hasn't gone down much but fever down quite a bit. Not normal yet tho. They sent him home with two drugs, 10 day supply. Took these photos when we got home. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o277/DonFischer/Squirt-snakebite001.jpg ht...

Don

Snake bite! Squirt got bit Sunday afternoon. For well over 20 yrs, close to 30, I have hunted, lived, trained and trialed in central and eastern Ore. I have never had a dog bit before nor do I know anyone that has except an old trialing friend many years ago. His dog got bit on a winter training tri...

Don

Nice photo's! That Quail photo is about the nicest bird photo I've ever seen.

Don

No doubt a nice dog but you have to realistically look at how he stacks up against dogs like Renegade's Kansas Kid, Beans Blaze, Tequilas Joker, Jim de bobs Sparks A Dan D, Ban Dee and so on. He's not close IMHO. That is something we will never know. Perhaps he would have stacked up well, perhaps n...

Don

I'm with Ray except for ccing it into birds. I don't do that but you might want to and it is fine. But your timing is way off if the dog is close enough to catch the bird. Imagine a circle around the bird that clears the bird by about 10 yds in all directions. The dog intrudes on that circle, pop th...

Don

Nice looking puppy!

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