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Got it. Thank you for all the help. I will start to use "whoa" for stop/stand still, in all situations; while still working on other commands (come, heel). Once we are a bit more confident, I'll overlay with e-collar and/or whistle. Any other suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks again!

If I have to, I can go get a dog that is on whoa. Done it many times and not regretted it....not ever. When the dog is very reliable on "whoa", I may allow it to accept and respond to a secondary command like "HERE". But if I have ANY doubt as to the dog's reliability and it is in a bad place, like...

Awesome. Thanks Gordon Guy.

The Stop whistle is a great tool for the possible scenario described ,but that too requires a conditioning process ?.the whistle on it's own doesn't create the end product desired. I could also never have done this if I never conditioned the dog to stop .... If You are done that's fine . You may wa...

specifically "sorry. good luck with your dog," The full stop is very small :wink: Either way,the fact remains that basic obedience is best conditioned before any overlay of an e-collar (imo) Look forward to your up-date on the process you used. Interesting. I like to say "Good luck." but never say ...

What was wrong with that ? It's true isn't it and it was politely put ? That's fine, I thought it was meant to be condescending, specifically "sorry. good luck with your dog," a/k/a your not listening to me so have fun with your training not working. But I probably misinterpreted. I apologize to Po...

My questions were answered a while ago. Like I said, I'm not looking to get into a discussion about whether or not to use the collar. I've mentioned several times that she does usually come with or without the collar but I don't think posts are fully read. An e-collar has no special power to prevent...

Ensuring a dog responds to a known conditioned behaviour is a level beyond both dog and owner by use of a tool not understood. I just want to add that I'm trying to get the behavior conditioned AND understand the proper use of the tool. If you have anything to add regarding effective e-collar train...

Polmaise, I appreciate your input and she is praised with come; in fact much of the time she listens wonderfully, even without the e-collar. We've been working on it since before I had an e-collar. Since that time, she has escaped me and run across busy roads and has gotten into modes where she will...

Thank you all for the help. I'll slow it down and not overdo it with her. Thanks again!

Thanks for the video Gordon Guy. So this is where I feel like I'm working on "come" WITH light stimulation. It looks like I definitely need to do more work with the lead/check cord and e-collar together, so that the stimulations (lead stim and e-collar stim) are happening together until she/we are m...

Why are you nicking her along with the command? She doesn't know why she is being corrected. Some of the stuff I was reading up on said that you would stimulate as a point of contact in much the same way a leash put pressure on her to come when I pull. When you say it like that, I feel stupid, but ...

So, I'm afraid I confused my dog and/or failed to properly introduce the e-collar. I began by letting her wear it for a while and I would always bring out a pheasant wing or play with her to associate it with fun. She loves when I bring it out but I'm afraid I introduced it wrong. She is a 10 month ...

So I actually just stopped out at the kennel on Saturday (my wife and I were in the St. Cloud area). I did confirm the pickup day of November 13 for the Summer Storm x Lily litter, so my wife and I will be up there that morning as well. Looks like they will be sisters. They are very cute right now; ...

Yeah, I'm super excited. It doesn't seem like there are too many irish setter breeders around but I loved the vibe when I visited Roger's kennel. He told me he had small litters but I didn't realize there would be only 4 females out of the two. I know what you mean about the deposit too; I've had mi...

Completely unrelated to your original post but I'm also picking up a female pup from Ironfire in mid-November; must be the same litter. I can't wait. I was actually just going to e-mail Roger Berg about what food he uses.

Maybe I'll see you on pickup day.

As others have said, the county plat books are super detailed. I've also used the "All Outdoors Atlas." I think there are three for MN that cover the different regions.

This link takes you directly to the admissions page. You can just click on the coupon on this page.

http://www.gamefair.com/admissions.html

Perfect! I'd be interested in new anyway.

Also, I don't know if you saw but the game fair website does have a $2.00 off coupon for admission tickets - if you click visitor info on the left-side bar and then admissions. Thought I'd throw that out there.

I'll be there! I was wondering if you know whether they have shotgun vendors? I'm in the market for a new one. . .

Disclaimer: I just joined this forum and I haven't trained a gun dog (yet...), but, Not sure if you read pointing dog journal at all but the July/August 2015 issue wrote a great article regarding e-collars and it actually recommended "Gun Dog Supply Basic Obedience Ecollar Training with Robin MacFar...

The Best Way to Train your Gundog - The Delmar Smith Method. The book uses a Pinch Collar, this method is no longer used by the Smith's. I was actually just skimming over that section related to the pinch collar last night and was kind of hoping there was a way around that. I assume they just stick...

I used " Gun Dog" by Wolters for basic puppy obedience then moved on to "Best way to train your gun dog" by Tarrant. Both books are in my local library. No expense. Verses $275.00 perfect start perfect finish. I do not know what your finances are. I worked recently with a pro that showed me how to ...

Hey there, Also, any other recommendations on training / training guides / training methods for puppies or for hunting are appreciated. Thank you! The original question is loaded ! ?..probably not meant to be ?...But it leads down the path of 'what's every ones champion' ?.. Get in touch with someo...

Springer wrote:ND, maybe MN for some ruffs although I have been saying MN for the last 10 years and never go.

Nice! Opposite for me. For sure MN (for grouse and pheasant) and hopefully ND.

Awesome! I'll look into the Smith DVDs / VHS to supplement the book. I plan on sticking with one method and have been leaning towards the Delmar Smith Method. I guess I wanted to ask a follow-up question to see if anyone would recommend the perfect start / perfect finish DVDs over the smith method. ...

Hey there,

Sorry, accidentally submitted this twice; my real post is up a couple spots.

Happy Hunting!
Tommy

Hey there, I'm a 25 year old from Minnesota and work as a legal assistant (currently finishing up classes to apply to grad school). I grew up hunting birds, small game, deer, and fishing. I was raised hunting over an English Springer Spaniel who was absolutely wonderful in the field (and very energe...

Hey there, I'm purchasing a red setter pup in the near future and I'm looking for a good basic training guide for the pup in the first year. However, I do want to try and be as consistent as possible, especially once I start getting her into bird training later on. I plan on using the Delmar Smith M...