Gun Dog Forum

I agree 100 percent it is about how the trainer handles the dog, not the method. But, Pro Trainers develop methods that work for THEM and then they promote and sell seminars teaching novice trainers how to use their "method". So to the novice trainer attending the seminar, it is all about the method...

Chuckar12 - so with all your knowledge, wisdom and experience do you recommend that the gentlemen who started this threat use a belly collar on his dog?

I have watched guys use the e-collar on the neck to correct 5 different offensives in rapid succession. They knew why they were pushing the button, the dog didn't have a clue. Moving the point of contact helps them understand a bit better. Neil Mace I use the ecollar to correct a dog for ignoring a...

The belly collar is stiming the dog when they don't whoa/stop on command. If a dog is fully collar conditioned and generalized to the whoa command (understands that stimulation to the neck is coming from YOU, not the bird), why do you need to use a belly collar? Isn't a belly collar just a short cut...

Michael Ellis has a great video on training the retreive. He starts with asking the dog to hold a one inch PVC pipe. He uses PVC rather than a dummy or wood dowel because it discourages chomping. He addresses how to solve a chomping problem. The video is available at Leerburg.com

IMO, the only solution for you is to get professional help from an animal behaviorist (as also suggested by another) or put the dog down. A good place to start looking for an animal behaviorist is to contact Patricia McConnell at the University Of Wisconsin. She specializes in rehabbing aggressive d...

Pointing and holding steady, to me, is...and always should be all about being between the dog and the bird. The less I interfere in that interaction, the better the dog will end up, in terms of both function and style.... The dog has to learn that it cannot catch the bird. It has to learn that ...f...

The American Racing Pigeon Union will provide a list of racing clubs in your area. It's a good place to start when trying to locate a breeder to work with.

http://www.pigeon.org/findaclub.php

Dr Tim, is 34% protein too high for a pup (10 months old).

When I used a scent bird and launchers at a distance with tethered birds my pup (9 months) wanted to rout out the scent bird after the launches were done and she wanted to retrieve the tethered bird that kept flopping around in the distance. Her point deterioted and the only way I could have stopped...

Wow! You guys make dog training sound so hard. It's really a lot simpler than all that. Too many gadgets and gimmicks. All you really need is a pinch collar, a check cord and a e collar. Course I'm a Dave Walker guy. 8) Doug My journey to learning how to train my first pointer pup has brought me fu...

It was identifying the trainer by name while remaining anonymous that made me uncomfortable. I respect your traing philosophy, not you personal attacks. Neil This thread started with quackwacker writing "I am using the Hickox training program for my lab. She is 7 months old. She is great at going i...

So in conclusion, unless members plan to post flowery compliments on this forum about their experiences with pro trainers they should be prepared to be subjected to intimidation, called a liar, and a coward (Neils hiding behind a keyboard comment) or simply uneducated about dog training. George Hick...

A quick Hickox story. About ten years ago I wrote 3 or 4 articles on Buddy Smith and the Buddy Stick for Field Trial Magazine and American Field. George read them or heard about them, so he made a special trip to Collierville, TN to check it out. I don't think he adopted the Stick, but the point is...

Chukar12 wrote:That does not justify you misrepresenting something...

There is no misrepresentation. I have accurately described exactly what happened.

... So if my reading comprehension has not failed me, this pro dog trainer took a dog and stood him by a plastic crate and asked you the handler to give the command " kennel " an English word, that he had no idea whether the dog understood or not, and then corrected said dog for non compliance? No,...

Chukar12 wrote:Sanersoft

It did not happen that way.

Were you at the seminar?

I guess I'm a little confused..., if you didn't want him to use a e-collar on your dog, why did you let him? And, if he messed the dog up with the collar at the first seminar, why would you attend another one? I should not have attended the second seminar. I made a big mistake and it cost both my d...

This is not a personal attack. It is an open honest recap of what happened with my dog at a Geroge Hickox seminar. If you gents only want to hear the good stuff you should simply watch the George Hickox videos.

That is the broadest over simplification of dog training I have heard of. Dogs are motivated to please themselves . .. Do some more research on why Georges works. But understand what it is that is happening, in the dogs mind ,and stop worrying about your own. It sounds like we just need to agree to...

4dabirds writes I attended two hickox seminars and what you are describing is not what he has taught me. In fact it is the exact opposite. Maybe he just did not like you. So... for your dog's sake, make sure George Hickox likes you before attending his seminars. Actually I think you are on to somet...

Mo - George Hickox's bonker is a rolled up towel that he hurls at the dog. He teaches that "dogs hate missiles". He uses it as a correction method.

The first seminar was in Ohio in April, 2013. The second was a series of four Saturdays in June of this year in Bismarck ND. In Ohio we were working in an outdoor pavilion with a kennel on the ground. The point being this was a 6 month pup, new enviroment, with 10 people standing around. He asked me...

I had the same problem after Hcikox collar conditioned my 6 month old high drive, bold and confident, GWP pup to kennel at a four day seminar I attended. I attended another of his seminars two months later and the moment he took the lead, she shutdown. He handed her back to me proclaiming "I can't w...

If it's not working for you... sometimes you have to switch. In the past 3 months I attended 8 days of Hickox seminars but I am switching to the Higgins method for training my dogs (8 and 9 months). His methods are more inline with an Agility trainer I have been following that have worked for my dog...