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CDN_Cocker

Young pups don't need a leash they stay with you. In the field I would never use a leash (unless training something). Let them run and romp and gain confidence and boldness. My guy is 5 months old now and I rarely use a leash (and I live in the city so when I do it is because it is necessary).

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I think either way is great. If I do it again, I will do it as you do so I don't have to deal with the puppy stage. Some guys love it, but it's just not for me hahaha.

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Wow that makes training a lot more complicated. Awful lot of different terms to complicate how to train a dog lol

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I have wasted money on most of those. The best are are Spencer's book, Tyers' dvd, and Mike Smith's book. The rest isn't worth your time, learn from my mistakes - and my wallet. Well put, Cass - now if the OP intends to train his/her spaniel nonslip for waterfowling - as you would a Boykin or AWS a...

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I have wasted money on most of those. The best are are Spencer's book, Tyers' dvd, and Mike Smith's book. The rest isn't worth your time, learn from my mistakes - and my wallet.

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Sounds like they're focusing too much on tail length instead of hunting ability. Tail shouldn't even be a second (or tenth) thought - they're usually docked by the vet so a natural "docked" (read: shorter) tail is something that has been bred for. I would stay away and look for dogs where they're hu...

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Completely normal. They'll come back when they're hungry enough.

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Sureshot - Very good advice, I just emailed them. I don't plan on trialing the dog, I don't have enough time. But the advice would be priceless. CDN_Cocker - Flushingstar is on my shortlist as of now. Seems like he has some really nice dogs. I can't say enough good things about Jim. I love my pup.

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I havent seen many work but I got my fbecs from jim karlovec of flushing star in ohio and he breeds and trials springers as well and they were awesome to watch. Www.flushingstar.com

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Or you can just get yourself a good spaniel and do it all

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Shady. I don't know much about the AKC but the CKC has regulations against that. If the dog/litter can be registered, the papers must be given at time of sale and they cannot sell puppies for a different price with/without papers.

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Girlfriend has a mini dachshund. Fairly annoying dog for the most part but she can track well and has a nose for grouse and bunnies.

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Can't help but post 2 more of Jake:

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I use his name. Nothing more, nothing less. I only use "dead" if he's lost the mark and I want him to hunt the area for the dummy/ball. He generally runs straight back but if he gets distracted I use his recall command. Essentially the retrieve is just recall with something in their mouth, so that i...

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Thought I'd post a couple pics from me and Jake's walk yesterday. Feast your eyes on this champ in the making hahahaha

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slistoe wrote:
ACooper wrote: Good luck ACooper. He's trained 4 dogs so I doubt you will change his mind.

Hey now, take it easy

:-p

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The "purpose" is that it answers his/her question. People are allowed to have varying opinions or methods. Anyways, this is no longer helping the topic. I apologize to the OP for going off track. Good luck with your dog and have fun

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Because it doesn't work that way. There is no right/wrong sequencing. For example, should you teach Stop to Flush before steady or after? Do you "dechase" the dog, then hunt him, or hunt him a season and then "dechase"? Is whoa taught at the puppy feed bowl, or in conjunction with heel, or on a tab...

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Georgia Boy wrote:He will be used as a flusher and retriever in the field but our main hunting with him will be opossum, coon, fox, bobcat, coyote, badger, boar and bear.

Very cool, a jack of all trades! Can't wait to see his progress.

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Why can't someone just give him a 'sequence' or 'flow chart'. Everyone touts the 'you can't put a timeline on it, every dog is different" but everyone trains commands to their dog in a set order. Why doesn't someone post the order they would do? (If I had more experience I would, but I haven't train...

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No, here springers and cockers compete against each other in the same trial. It makes no difference whether its an ESS or an ECS - it comes down to the better dog. I know nothing about retriever trials so I cannot speak for them.

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I think this is ridiculous, luckily it doesn't matter much to me as I'm a canuck lol. Letting the retrievers run in spaniel tests defeats the purpose I think. Will they be held to the same standard? I doubt a lab or golden could match the style of an ESS or ECS (not bashing the retrievers its just n...

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Do they have an aviary/fly pen that they can go out and see their surroundings? I'd wait a month before letting them out. Were they ever flown? If they were I wouldn't fly them because they'll go back to their other home hahaha. Even adults that have never been flown before can be tricky since they ...

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This guy right here! Best breed ever!

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What on earth does this post mean

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What are you going to hunt with him?

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To get back on topic I have fed blue buffalo for a couple years now and I like it a lot. Dogs are shiny and look healthier than any I've ever had on purina. IMO purina is less than optimal food. I am thinking of switching to Taste of the Wild though, as it is similar to BB but at a better price.

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Well I've kinda cooled it on the training under the advice of my breeder to just let him be a pup. I still work on recall and make him hup while waiting for his food and to go in and out the door. I also have still been giving him short retrieves in the house. Today I placed the tennis ball where I ...

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"No" is probably the most common word you will have in your vocabulary the next little while. I feel like its all I say lmao.

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I believe the answers you get will be quite biased here. I think the answer you are looking for is "a well bred dog will have stronger natural abilities than an average dog".

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Every dog I've ever known. Most cats I've had tend to go for the dogs' food as well.

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Sounds like I'm quite a ways off from that. All I do with Jake so far is hup in the house and yard and recall. When I do retrieves in the house or yard I make him hup before I throw it but he's off running as soon as the ball or dummy has left my hand. I think he's too young yet to put any restricti...

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I don't think you have anything to worry about, he's very young. Just keep a closer eye on him after 8pm and don't give him water after 6. As for wandering when out, there's nothing wrong with that! He's getting more confident, which is a good thing. I don't even really speak to my pup when we're ou...

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They'll be fine :) My WCS has been an absolute terror with my other dog and they wrestle all day every day. I take him around other dogs as well though and he doesn't do the same. They'll only do it with who they can. They also play tug of war and I don't sweat it. As long as it's not a person on th...

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Do the preliminary training for the "stop" ...that is stop to voice, stop to hand signal, stop to whistle,stop to flush and take your time over doing it . Do NOT rush the pup or you will end up with a liitle black slug instead of a hunting dog. Then when all that is 100% at distances of up to about...

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Sounds health related. If she's emptying herself outside, there's no reason she should be going again in the house.

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CDN, what you need to realize (and probably do) is that half the advice you've been given on this thread is from those pointer people :D :twisted: Take this tidbit for instance: "Before starting on live bird work you want to make sure your dog will stop and "Hup" willingly when a dummy or dead bird...

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Awesome pics! Makes me want to get a couple birds for my pup!

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now are you flying ferals that you have caught or is it their young that they hatched? I was told if I bought a breeding pair I would have to prison them and wait for the young to hatch and train them. That is homers. And only if they have been flown before. Ferals can be taught to have a new home....

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I've still got some old super Xs

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All pigeons home about like most animals point, which is nothing more than that pause to gather themselves before they pounce and catch their prey. We have just bred the homers and pointers to do a better job of it. They home to their home or loft if they like being there and also if they are well ...

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Do they return because their home is where they get food? Can any bird be a homer? No, it is instinct for them. Homers have been bred for years for this trait, not any pigeon can do it. When I used to race I would loft fly them a couple times, then take them a mile away, then 5, then 10, 20, and fi...

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Thanks Tim. Its kind of overwhelming because everyone tells you different stuff. Some people say u need to have them introduced to birds or feathers early, then others think you're an idiot for doing so. I really wish I could link up with someone in my area so I knew my technique and everything was ...

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Thanks for your positive and thought provoking addition to my thread. It really brought a lot to the discussion :roll:

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Well today while doing a couple retrieves I thought I'd throw a grouse wing for him. The first time he came right back with it, although he was mouthing it a bit as I don't think he knew how to hold it. The second time he only came half way back and laid down and started mouthing it. I called him a ...

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Can't help ya but that's an awesome surprise! If you weren't already married I'd tell ya to get on it hahahahaha

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My belief is that prey drive comes with the dog. I wouldn't bother training at all if a pup lacks sufficient prey drive. I don't train prey drive, I utilize it throughout training as the way to free te dogs' mind back up after putting pressure on the dog. I do everything I can to encourage a pup to...

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When I bring home a new pup I take 3 days off so I can potty train and set some rules down. Makes it easier for her when I am not here. (the wife) I too take time off. I picked my ECS up 3 weeks ago and made sure I was off for the week when I got him. Did the same when we got our dachshund last year.

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Trekmoor wrote: I.M.O. it is the breeders job to provide pups with enough prey-drive etc. for a trainer to make use of.

Bill T.

This is what I was trying to say.

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By that logic it would be acceptable to take a well bred dog hunting, expect it to know what birds are and how to handle them. You can also shoot birds over it without it ever previously handling a bird. Certainly that's not what you have in mind? Nate No, that would be harnessing it's prey drive a...

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