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MonsterDad

JIM K wrote:canidae als which i use WAS made by diamond plant.canidae NOW supplys and makes their own dog food i believe in texas,

They actually don't. Only cat food is made at that plant.

MonsterDad

No they aren't. Canidae is an independently owned company and has its foods made in several locations. American Nutrition makes most and Diamond makes the grain free formulas.

Sounds like just a coincidence.

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You can switch over about a week's time when you get the puppy home and it settles in.

I would gladly sacrifice one beer a month to use a better food.

Puppy Chow is almost the price of Canidae, just to name one.

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DocE, So, let me ask you then. Why don't you ever hear this warning about temperature when nutritionists say to eat fish several times a week. By your logic, we should be eating only sushi? I believe the oil is applied after the kibble is made so the high extrusion temperatures are not a factor, I c...

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I don't think there is much disagreement anywhere that fish-based oils are important, but it is pure speculation that the amounts found in some dry foods are less potent, less fresh or less safe than bottled supplements. The exact same properties that make fish oil volatile in kibble or in a bottle ...

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Not sure, the hair loss does get worse seasonally but hair loss occurs year round. A specialist might have some thoughts on using melatonin. Its worth a shot since the thyroid checks out ok. The symmetry definitely suggest something hormonal and melatonin is known to influence hair growth. But a Ve...

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Is this a season problem or all year round?

Talk to a vet about using melatonin if this is a seasonal problem.

MonsterDad

Skin related stuff can be very frustrating. Before you go the route of medication. Try to eliminate all beef, chicken, eggs and chicken fat from her diet. Pro Plan Sensitive Skin & Stomach would be a good choice. Does she have an red skin areas? Is there anything environmental you can think of? What...

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I don't think many people know The Dog Food Advisor is actually a dentist.

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so is the conclusion that canines perform better on a corn/grain based diet rather than animal protein? I'm no veterinarian but that doesnt really make sense to me. There are no corn-based 30/20's or 26/16's for that matter. It is impossible. Corn is about 8% protein. If the whole bag was corn, the...

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I've fed Pro Plan Performance, Diamond Performance, Nutrisource Performance, Loyall, Diamond Extreme Athlete are among the brand that are or close to 30/20. The brand I actually thought worked the best for my setter was Diamond Performance. Pro Plan Performance is also good, but I noticed a differe...

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I am sure many Labs do well on 30/20 foods but that wouldn't be my first choice for a Lab, or similar breeds. I would use a food with about 30% protein and much lower fat.

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Victor makes a great line of foods as well. There are lots of choices and the price is right.

Most Victor foods are about $.75lb.

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Likely more Feed Stores just because of the consumer that is likely to buy this product. We are open to any independently owned facility that can buy at our minimums or through a distributor that will supply it. It will not be sold in TSC or large box stores. This is a product the store owner can m...

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Will this food be in feed stores, pet stores or both?

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I would talk to the vet but wouldn't get hysterical about it. Luckily you have a Lab, which can really chew things up.

Raw bones get digested easily, cooked bones not so much.

No apparant issues now?

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Were the bones ever cooked? Which parts of the turkey?

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Little update on Red Flannel & Exclusive. Land O Lakes moved production from Diamond to Texas Farm Products in the summer.

Texas Farm Products has a few brands but Precise is the best known. I don't believe this company has ever had quality problems or a recall.

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It would be pretty tough to have water work in North Dakota at 0 degrees. Even harder to have water work there in the ocean. There are field trials in the forests and that is pretty bold to say theyhave the best noses. You get what I am saying. Would you put your setter in coastal water this time o...

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How about of if the Spinone Club held an open trial in North Dakota this time of year in windy, zero or colder temperatures with extensive water work in icy ponds, or maybe water work in the ocean. Two feet of snow anyone? And what if they had an open trial where conformation to the breed standard w...

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Brazo, I have not critized or even suggested what, how,or when you feed. My post was in response to you telling me what I had posted was wrong and you were right. Thank you for pointing out when I said the Diamond HE was 3 times cheaper I was wrong, it really is 3 1/3 times cheaper and I got the sa...

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Sweet looking pup...take care of him

He looks in excellent condition

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Nice looking food. But at $70.. for 44 pounds X 3 dogs, I would be out a home and husband. :-( The formula like Pro Plan Performance, Dr. Tim's Pursuit, 30/20, is about the same price when you factor in there is no sales tax. No, not really. out the door I pay maybe 47.00. Munster, PPP is about $47...

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Munster wrote:Nice looking food. But at $70.. for 44 pounds X 3 dogs, I would be out a home and husband.

The formula like Pro Plan Performance, Dr. Tim's Pursuit, 30/20, is about the same price when you factor in there is no sales tax.

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My understanding is that a hot growing season like last year raises aflatoxin risk in corn. Is anyone concerned that this may be an issue with foods being produced now?

I realize testing is done, but when there is a problem it tends to be widespread and this is very serious.

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A lot depends on the breed too. I would make room in the truck for the smaller dogs. A big lab, chessi or spinone won't mind the weather as much, but a brit or even a shorthair?

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Prism (by Eagle) is much cheaper and easier to get than Loyall.

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Now that I have three dogs to feed I've also been looking to find the best food for the money. I have been putting together a spreadsheet of mid-priced "performance" foods that are available to me either locally or shipped free from Amazon, PetFlow, or PetCo. Here's the link to the sheet so that ot...

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northern cajun wrote:I will stick with what I learned from Arleigh Reynolds and Joe Wakshlag I think they know what they are doing.

I wonder if either of them tried Momentum?

Well, Arleigh Reynolds works for Purina and Joe Wakshlag might as well, he has been supported by Purina.

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I had a female Jr Terrier that did that. She would always squat and nothing came out. I have no idea why she did that but she lived for 18 years. I would ask the vet if cystine stones or other bladder stones are a possibility. Cystine stones are an inherited condition perhaps you can ask the breeder.

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wait a minute, i think this is what makes this forum special, the quality of people that visit this site is unbelievable from pro trainers to vets to dog food makers. do i think that dr tim stop by to get is name out there, yep. do i care, no, he asked us what we though of is food! where else today...

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I use DrTims Momentum Dog Food the best dog food i have ever used , As a K-9 handler we need a food that does not make the poop around every corner , my dogs look great . I also run NSTRA & NAVHDA 2 Police K-9 (GWP AND A LAB) 5 bird finding Machines (4 GWP AND A GSP) ONE OF THE GWP IS A NAVHDA VC 2...

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I have fed Pro-Plan before and had no problems with it as a feed. I do feed supplemental raw according to the whole prey item model. I currently feed Dr. Tim's Momentum. I have found that I feed about 30% less food of Dr. Tim's to maintain the same body condition which ends up being cheaper for me ...

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I loved Euk Premium. It is priced about $1.25lb in my area. I think its a great food and fairly priced. Stools always hard and dark no matter what the activity level. Diamond Naturals is the same price where I live. I am not using it now, but I had a very good experience with it. No corn gluten and ...

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Any suggestions for foods to look at in the $40-50 per 30-40 pound range? Thanks again That's way out of my price range so I can't really help you except to say most are good. Ezzy Price isn't always a good indication of quality. There are good and bad at all prices, and prices vary dramatically in...

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There is a test for MDR-1 if anyone wants to double-check if their herding breed is at risk for ivermectin toxicity.

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At the Canidae price-point Eukanuba Premium is a good food, easy to get, and comes in a 28/18 and 30/20. The 28/18 would probably work for all your dogs.

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You didn't mention if the DD was a male or female. I have seen a few DD males at a rock solid 70lb, so I wouldn't rush to feed much less than you are feeding unless you make a significant jump in the richness of the food. However, feeding less than 3 cups of any food to a dog that size and type seem...

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I'm pretty sure our dog feed futures are only going one way...and that's up. So we should probably all buckle down and promise not to complain about it. Doesn't matter the brand or formula. The price of grain going up effects the whole feed world. Grain prices directly effect the meat farmers who n...

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Monorchid means only one developed. What you are describing is not that.

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Huh? Why would you get less protein by going to a more concentrated food and feeding less? The only thing you are cutting is the filler so the dog may feel hungry all the time. I would like to hear from people like Dr.Tim who have knowledge of what level of protein becomes difficult on a dogs diges...

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You would be better off using something with Perna for inflammation. There are a variety of peer reviewed studies on Perna, human, canine, guinea pig that show it almost as effective as medication. Ironically, people talk about other products that show no efficacy. It works in a similar fashion to f...

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Noone wants to spend all day picking up after a dog but I think people take cutting back because they use a richer feed to extremes. Cutting a dog from 3 cups to 2 cups just because you using a 30/20 just isn't right. Forget the calories, you just cut protein intake from about 75 grams to 60 grams. ...

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Nor sure if this is a regional thing, but Pro Plan is down to 33lbs for pretty much the same price.

:roll:

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Sharon, the only supplement that has been proven in mutiple studies to aid in joint care is Perna. It has been shown as effective in many cases as medication.

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Arliegh Reynolds conducted the Purina study. A sled dog enthusiast, his nutritional research almost cut the the amount of time it takes the mushers to run the Iditarod in half. Dogs running as yours are need a sound nutritional program. If I were you I would read everything that Arliegh has publish...

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I think a few Komondors would do a better job.

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I had a so so experience with Native, the price isn't bad but the gas and stools were. I think the Blue Seal foods are better, which are part of Kent now. At this price level, about $1lb I had the best experience with Pro Pac and continue to believe that one is a really good value. Below that Sportm...

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Since I have not been posting much, it appears threads like this "have gone to the dawgs!" :lol: :lol: You need to issue an executive order, starting with Purina Mills makes PMI (Purina Mills, Inc., duh), Exclusive and Red Flannel, among other foods and Nestle Purina makes the Dog Chow series, ONE,...

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“Tim, Just got back from the Purina Endurance Trial. 112 dogs entered. I had 5 that were qualified. All of them are on Momentum. I finished 2nd, 4th and my young GSP was put out in the 16 to 8 cut by a National champion. Didn’t win but real pleased with those results. Its rare to put two dogs in th...

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