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BillThomas

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/app/blogs/outdoors/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Bill-Shattuckss.JPG Bill Shattuck in the field (photo courtesy of Krull Lodge) By KW Bill Shattuck once told me that he didn’t feel much like he’d hunted unless he’d put in about five miles of boot leather before he bagge...

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ElhewPointer wrote: We can all see you are still on medication.

Yes, the liquid variety.

My near-death meat dog just brought me a fine German Pilsner, she barked when I asked her if she wants to run againt more Longtails. I think thats a yes.

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Bill, what college did you play for and what years were your there? . 1980s in the Big 10 for IU and then to a MAC school, that ran a West Coast Offense. 2 weeks after I transferred, they brought in an O coordinator to run the I, which is why I left IU. I wanted and hoped to get a Pro look with the...

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My time and money towards my dogs will be spent putting them infront of people who's opinion matters. But thanks for the offer. I said Nice LOOKING dogs, Not nice Hunting dogs. I wont offer you an opinion until AFTER I see them hunt. I showed you a very fair point system. If your passing through my...

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A) I didn't say it wasn't a real hunting situation. I said it was the one I hunt in. The point I was getting across is your hunting situation isnt the only kind so quit acting like it. . Its the kind the majority of upland hunters take part in across America, and what I do the most of as well. We a...

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So is this some sort of actually recognized event, or is it a made for TV promotional game to make money for the organizers? Not sure. SRS is known as the top Retriever Test, the most extreme test there is. Features Quads, Long blinds out to 300-400 meters etc. And its run as a Trial. Here is video...

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slistoe wrote:So this dog won the trial?

No, I think we played spoiler that day...

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ElhewPointer wrote:
Hunted this guy in North Dakota and Texas. Multiple Champion.

Nice looking dogs.
Bring the best Bitch of the bunch on out. Youve got an open invite.
I promise I will be cordial.

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A) I think you'd be surprised how wrong you'd be. Mine are foot hunting dogs and an intelligent dog will adjust to the situation. . You have an open invitation. its How MOST of America Hunts on the Most Popular gamebird IN America. And same conditions. Lots of cover. ) it's become apparent that you...

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Bill As the creator/founder of th FRPSA I can use the websters definition if I so choose. It applies very well to our one registered animal so I am going to choose to use it. Thank you for your contribution to the betterment of the sport Elhew! You can. And it wouldnt make you look any less foolish...

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Id come on out, bring a dog and listen to you bitch. hahaha Thats why I said bring video or sign a waiver that vid is fine...your excuses wouldnt work. I would have fun watching your dog run to the first 'objective' a half mile off, when the cover is 10 feet tall and so thick you cant see 40 feet t...

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Now youre changing the rules. Come on Billy, make up your mind. This isnt AF Trial rules. Im leveling the playing field to a real hunt situation. Its basic Euro Trial type rules. I thought about it, and I think a Cripple loss is a Forfeit. Auto DQ. Failure to hand is also a severe penalty. For some...

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I dont own an AKC dog, its 8 hrs away and I have a 10+ yr old dog. And Im not sure I have a real interest in a Cover dog trial. Ive never claimed to owned the fastest dog. WHeres an idea. Why dont you win / place/ show it and then PM me. PM sent :lol: ...I took runners up, 2nd....I got old schooled...

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ver·sa·tile/ˈvərsətl/ Adjective: 1.Able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities Id say the dog meets the "standard". According to Webster and the FRPSA. What in the bloody heck does Websters know about the concept of Versatile Dogs? The broad definition of 'versatile' is be...

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Bill I think what you don't understand is that trial bred dogs can be developed to hunt. Actual trial dogs are developed differently. . So now youre admitting that trial dogs worked differently than many good hunting dogs? I could take the same pup and train it to be a trial dog or a hunting dog. G...

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Hey whatever...I 'm not scared to drop a tail gate...Sounds good!! You can reg your dog AKC...My boy is 4 and he has 38 KS dogs in his ped...I say he is a meat dog. Im not interested in registering my dog with a Registry that I have nothing but contempt for. I would not jump through any hoops to tr...

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Bill your deffinition of versatile is way different then the FRPSA definition. I would very much appreciate it if you would withhold further comment until you are thoroughly familiar with the official rules of the event. The Concept OF The Versatile Dog was develeoped IN Europe, Coined IN Europe an...

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Hey....You need to show up at the AKC>Oakridge Cover Dog trial(wild BIRDS)...Its only a couple hrs away ...The dates are .24/25 NOV.....i just got the dates ,,,I'll post them in the events...When i was helping clearing trials i seen to 2 sets of grouse with chicks...One had 5 the other i seen 3 or ...

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Bill once again you have asked a question you know the answer to as I am sure any 10 year old could also. How do they declare a winner in ice skating or many other sports where they don't keep score? Ezzy Im sorry, if I knew I wouldnt have asked. I would simply declare a mistrial or rain out makeup...

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ElhewPointer wrote: Thats because you cant read.

Funny you say that as I am a speed reader.
Besides Tapping Kegs, it was the other only valuable class and skill I learned in college.

I do find it amazing that out of 3 million sperm, you were the fastest.

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But the big question is, will he guard your truck? The word Versatile, as used by Bird Hunters is a canard, and disingenuous in how its used and errantly applied by so many here. It means a dog that can switch gears, is under control, and can hunt Fur, Feather and Waterfowl, sometimes in the same d...

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It's still wild birds vs planted birds. In wild bird trials after the birds have been moved several times it gets tougher and tougher on the dogs to find them. It's different when birds are where they aren't supposed to be because they aren't wild birds and someone put them in places that are unnat...

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If thats not bragging I don't know what is. You're an even bigger blowhard than I thought. . I didnt think was being a blowhard, if it was true. Did I mention that I was 3rd on the team in receptions, and have 2 game balls? Also, you placing so much emphasis on a single insignificant run against a ...

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Nobody is discounting your dog as a respectable versatile hunting dog. No, But as a bird finding dog Ive seen it time and again here. You are the one discounting others trial dogs as respectable hunting dogs, and putting your own on a pedestal. Ive said multiple times, Extreme dogs have their place...

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BrassVols wrote:There seems to be a common theme with your posts (other than your disapproval of FT's), a extraordinary use of "I ", very telling....

If someone is personally challenging your performance, how can one not use the word 'I'.?

Unless youd rather I speak and adress myself/dog in the 3rd person...

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That's because they aren't trained or bred to. And I'm betting if you really compete you'll get your arse waxed multiple times. That's why you're content with your one little brace. Also, I don't know how it is in Ohio but down here our trailing season breaks for hunting season. This is the OH regi...

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Bill if you played football at the highest level then you obviously realize that one brace, or one football game does not amount to greatness! How many pro football players had 1-2 great games then disappeared forever? I bet it is dozens and dozens of players. You realize that, you are just too pro...

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Regarding the labs. Even those dogs that were hunt test dogs eventually put their necks on the line in competition. So my theory is still plenty valid. The SRS Retreiver World Series is fairly new. Much newer than UKC / NAHRA Hunt Tests. There was no neck on the line in the Hunt tests, but it darn ...

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Use whatever logic you need to console yourself, but my example is obvious and it fits you to a tee. You didn't prove crap and anyone who knows anything about nstra knows that one brave doesn't prove anything. Go trial for a whole season and report back to me how many points you earned. Till you do...

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You know why you like hunt tests Bill? Because you're not competing against anyone. Just the standard. You don't have to worry about your dog getting beat by another dog because they're not competing against one another. You're a coward and that's painfully obvious to everyone on here. The TOP lab ...

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It may be personally rewarding, but your dog did not prove it was on the same level as other successful nstra dogs, including the one you ran against. You think it does, but it doesn't. . If I Matched the Top dog there at NSTRA, as a newbie, with a newbie dog, and was within 60 yards and a wild flu...

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Once was enough because you figured you'd take your tiny individual victory and leave with your dignity in tact is all. When I found out, as a newcomer, I was matched with the winngest dog in the Region, I was initially sick-trial by fire. When we were matched in finds, and were on our way to a vic...

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It doesn't matter whether you matched him or out found him by one bird. Which, if it doesn't get on the card it didn't happen by the way. You can make all the excuses you want, and take whatever personal victory you think you earned there, but your dog hadn't proved crap. heck, it hasn't even place...

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We bested the best dog there, outfound him 3 to 2, though bird 3 was a wild flush, out of bounds and not counted. By anybody's definition of a "find" other than your own.....you didn't "outfound" the other dog. True. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda... But matching the best and this close to outfinding was ...

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I was braced with a NGDC one time and we won our brace. Didn't get a single placement at the trial, but I guess I should have quit trialing right there and declared my dogs as being better than all National Champion dogs. I didnt buy a Hunting dog to chase ribbons and planted chukar with over 40 ac...

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Once again bill. Just because you matched finds with a successful NSTRA dog ONCE doesn't mean jack crap. I see you chose to ignore my example I gave following that ignorant statement you made so go back and read it again. When you've put just one nstra championship on a dog you can say your dog has...

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And personally, I dont think we've had a war worth fighting for since 1812. There is a whole race of people that, I'm sure, are glad you were not running this country from 1939-1945. Maybe some people on an island in the pacific also. That very race of people, formally decalred war on the nation it...

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Lifes too short to spend a day with someone who thinks football is some great thing to be revered and its players somehow worshiped. :roll: Now if you were a soldier or a vet, well then...........that'd be different. Someone who deserves recognition for the things they've done and sacrificed. Guess...

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Grouse in OH right now is hard to come by. I hutn the UP in mid Oct as well. Western UP. Not opposed to the woodcacks either. I've hunted grouse in the mountains of PA, in the bramble hills of OH and in the beautiful northern woods. Hard to beat a crisp autumn morning grouse flush. Sun shining thro...

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Garrison wrote:So let me get this straight, all you have to do is change your name, stir it up with a little chest pounding for a couple days and you get invited to everyone's honeyholes across the nation. Call me Bill Thomas come bird season!

There is a method to the madness.

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There would be nothing I would love more in this life then to sit in a duck blind with Birddogz Bill Thomas and listen to illusions of grandeur for an entire day! Buckey I salute you, a better man than me. Bill do people really pay you to take them hunting? Get much repeat business? Im alot of thin...

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Hey Bill - what FT in Ohio did you go to? I've been to 75% of all horseback trials in OH for the last 5 years and have NEVER seen you. Just curious. I would take any of my "horseback" FT dogs and enjoy cleaning your clock in the grouse woods with them :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Clinton and Highl...

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You know if it weren't for BillThomas or whomever he really is, we wouldn't be having the excitement of "Entertainment Today" right here on GDF! :mrgreen: Haven't had this much fun since a certain member quit posting some time ago. He must have a twin out there. Thank you for the welcome, happy to ...

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Hey Bill - what FT in Ohio did you go to? I've been to 75% of all horseback trials in OH for the last 5 years and have NEVER seen you. Just curious. I would take any of my "horseback" FT dogs and enjoy cleaning your clock in the grouse woods with them :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Clinton and Highl...

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Bill, Your breed was founded by a bunch of PP owners over a 100 years ago. Where does the PP come from? What did they add in over the first 30-40 years to strengthen point and search? The DK!!! where did that come from??? I didnt know the PP had any DK/GSP blood, but was all Pudels (15) and Pointer...

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Bill you can come run in the Region 9 SD CH in Idaho, its ran on wild birds. In fact Dgfavor took runner up with his GSP, that he hunts like 4 times a week with! Fancy that.. Im not too interested in driving to Idaho X Country to run, but thanks just the same. My dog does what I need it to do and o...

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Rules: No paper, no pen. Youve got 20 seconds to answer. Honor system. Write down your answer with respond, here. Ill give the answers later... 1. A bat and ball cost a dollar and ten cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. So How much does the ball cost? 2. In a lake, there is a patch of ...

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Bill what state are you located in? If you want to go hunting in California just met me know. I pay for gas and food. You just have to show up with as many dogs as you would like and ill run my one dog in chukar or quail country for 8 hours. It would be easy for you to tell the difference when she ...

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Holy crap Bill are you still flapping your gums? What's with the chip on your shoulder? Did a field trialer push you down and steal your lunch money or something? It all brings back horrible memories. Thats exactly what happened..I repressed it all these 30+ years. Maybe some psychotherapy and drug...

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Boy you just keep running your mouth about things you have little to no first hand knowledge of don't you? ? NEWSFLASH..I never ran against Buddy, Nolan, Nolan the bullet or Nolan the Britt. I only read and heard tell of him. And those that use lots of planted birds from 4 wheelers. That suit you a...

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